(Non-Warmoth) GFS ES-335 Kit

[bagman67]

The Tonar approach is boiled linseed oil.

 

[Magicbisket]

Got sidetracked by another project, then College. Now the semesters done and I need to get to work.

Hello all, Back on the 335 and just need to figure out how to get a particular color dye.

Burst is a burst, I can get black but the blue is what I'm after.

How would I get that blue. It's mostly a blue but dark and kinda grayed. Could I get it from a blue dye mixed with a bit of black or is this going to be complicated?

Been a while,

-D.T. Latty

 

[greywolf]

You should be able to add a small amount of black to blue dye to get there  , just use a test piece of scrap wood first  . 

 

[Magicbisket]

Alrighty, sweet. And always scrap wood. I'm thinking dye and burst first. Afterwards set the neck, and then do the lacquer coats. although, since I'll need to seal, sand back, and resand, the body, will this create unevenness in the lacquer compared to the neck? Will I even need to keep sanding back the body on a flame maple, or is that only for other woods?

 

[greywolf]

Save the lacquer till last , shoot it all at the same time. 

As far as sanding back on flame and quilt , to make it pop it's usually prudent to do a deep darker  coat , then sand it back to almost white then do light color coats (thinned out , many coats) to achieve the shade you desire .  For the sunburst just leave the edges less sanded .  I'd suggest using 400-600 grit , as even 220 can leave fine lines that tend to hold darker color and drive you nuts.

It takes more time , but I've found over the years in finishing the slow method is typically the best


One alternative is to lay down a clear sealer coat first , then shoot translucent blue over the top ,more on the edges , then lots of clear over . 

If you ever change your mind on color it is MUCH easier to refinish .  This also can leave a very 3D quality .. I did it on a Tele before (non sunburst same concept)

 

[Magicbisket]

That tele is gorgeous... cannot deny. However I think I'm going to go with the more classical approach. Here's my plan.

I'll be using the eyelet strap button hanger idea for hanging the bitch up.

0. Finally install that bridge grounding wire before I begin finishing.
1. (After color an testing is done) Apply dye to body, one section at a time? Or hang up and do all entirety in one swoop?(Top, sides, back)
2. Seal and sand the bitch, or just sand the bitch? Repeat until desired effect is complete.
3. Apply Burst (Tape off sides, not sure how to protect upper binding)
4. Shape headstock
5. Blackout headstock face. (I want the rest natural)
6. Set the neck. I've got carpenters glue and clamps.
7. Hang up and lacquer the bitch. Some say 8 coats, I'll do some research.
8. Let the bitch cure for a couple weeks. Let me know what you guys personally wait before you touch her again.
9. Polish the bitch.

Couple questions in there and feedback is always appreciated.

Thankya,

D.T. Latty

 

[greywolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u49jCIRNnmk  nice vid on blue burst

 

[Magicbisket]

Decided. I'm not doing a painted burst. Doing the poor mans route. Knew of it already but originally wasn't going to do it, now I am.

Also, very good video. Entertaining just because i'm sick in the head and find wood finishing entertaining, and very informative. This will certainly be a useful tool for when I continue on in my project.

Now I don't have to work about protecting the binding when painting a burst.

I think i will do the first coat of black. Sand

Mix Blue with Black for dark blue. Stain.

Darker Blue/Almost black on edges. May go heavier than he did for a bit darker of an edge. Not too much though.

Over again with blue black mix.

Sand, blue black mix.

Do I need to be repeatedly sanding through this or will the steps above do it?

Thank you,

-D.T. Latty

 

[greywolf]

600 grit between major steps

 

[Magicbisket]

Gotchya. Basically add sand into every line that doesn't have sand in it already. Easily done. Wondering how late woodcraft is open. I may go check it out now. Start testing. Or I could just sit hear and listen to Ram on repeat.

black on all, sand heavily
blueblack on all, sand 600
black on edges, sand 600
blueblack on all, sand 600
blueblack on all, sand 600

then more Paul McCartney

-D.T. Latty

 

[Magicbisket]

Got my transfast blue and black. Testing shall commence tomorrow.. on something. Not sure if pops is actually going to let me use his planed wood since he gets kinda funny sometimes so I may just find a scrap piece of something. Regardless, dye will be mixed and pics will be posted.

 

[Magicbisket]

Anybody know some good makeshift dye jars?

 

[Cagey]

Baby food jars used to be the standard all-purpose hobbyist storage jar, but I don't think they make them like they used to, or if they're even jars any more. But, there are a lot of spices/condiments that come in smaller glass jars. For instance, I go through a certain amount of garlic paste, pimentos, capers, etc. which all come in small puck-sized jars with resealable lids that are perfect for leftover dye/stain, as there usually isn't much of it. That may be a bit pricey to buy and throw away the contents just for the jar, but that's where I'd go looking for them  - the condiment aisle at the grocery. Find something inexpensive that comes in a glass jar, and there you are.

 

[dmraco]

Baby food jars used to be the standard all-purpose hobbyist storage jar, but I don't think they make them like they used to, or if they're even jars any more. But, there are a lot of spices/condiments that come in smaller glass jars. For instance, I go through a certain amount of garlic paste, pimentos, capers, etc. which all come in small puck-sized jars with resealable lids that are perfect for leftover dye/stain, as there usually isn't much of it. That may be a bit pricey to buy and throw away the contents just for the jar, but that's where I'd go looking for them  - the condiment aisle at the grocery. Find something inexpensive that comes in a glass jar, and there you are.

olives..pickels...bananna peppers...baciscially any pickled veggie...and you can enjoy a snack while your are finishing your guitar!!!

 

[greywolf]

I use the glass Spice Islands jar , perfect size for me

 

[bagman67]

I buy the smallest available Mason jars - 4 oz?  Often available at your independent hardware store.

 

[Magicbisket]

Not sure what kinda independent shops we got around here but Wohlfeil's (Ace Hardware) might have something like that. They have pretty much everything i've ever been looking for and another 5000 things I haven't been.

Thank ya,

-D.T. Latty

 

[Magicbisket]

Just looked back page 5. Apparently dye jars is something people like to chime in on. Sadly, (and also happily) we have no baby in the house nor do I have any friends with children. But I can see how those would work quite well. I'll check my friend Pooki's house today for some veggie jars; he goes through spurts of vegetarianism so he may have some. When we buy, we buy big so our jars won't work. And all our spices come from walmart.

So either knock up a girl real quick, raid Pooki's house, or buy some mason jars.

Over all though the ideas are quite sound. They seem simple now but I really didn't think dye jars were used improperly as "food storage" so often.

Bershmegindoorf,

-D.T. Latty

 

[Pelagaard]

There's no reason why you can't use a Costco-sized glass jar, especially for the color you'll be using most, just don't fill it up.

 

[Magicbisket]

Suppose so, I looked at the mixing instructions. The bottle is 1 once. To mix the base dye color using that 1 ounce, It is to be mixed with 2 Quarts of water...... Jesus Chirst... I did some conversions and basically half a teaspoon for 200ml.