new Van Halen!!!

[Torment Leaves Scars]

Insult ?

no I have never tried to insult you, and I apologize if you think I am trying to.

I am trying to get you to see the truth, and as of now we are down to the bit about you saying Sammy has no fan base.

You still are in denial about that. According to you Sammy Hagar has no fans and people go see CH for Joe Satch or Mr Anthony or who ever the Drummer of the month is.  I do not deny that there are fans of any of them, but I also in no way in the world would deny that a large percentage of them are going to see Sammy.

Think about this, how many hits has Sammy had in Solo? If next year Sammy wanted to do a solo record do you think he could get recording company backing? You know they would back him in a nano second, It seems he sells a lot of units.

Now I am finished with this thread, I see no reason to discuss it anymore.

Again, I apologize if you feel insulted, it is not my, nor has it been my intention to do such. If I have seemed to have tried, I was wrong and feel bad because of such.

Jim

Jim, I completely understand what you're trying to say, you've repeated yourself at least FIVE TIMES.  All I'm saying is not as many people dig Sammy as you think.  HE, ON HIS OWN, does NOT sell out the big venues.  Would he sell out a small the Trocadero in Philly?  Probably.  Would he sell out Madison Square Garden?  Really doubtful.

To claim I said he has "no fans" is preposterous.  If the guy didn't have fans he wouldn't have a job.  All I'm saying is he's not the "A-lister" you seem to be making him out to be.  He's a good supporting role, that's all I'm saying.  :dontknow:

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

I have to give props to Michael Anthony in a recent Guitar magazine interview.
He shared briefly what it was like to be in the studio & write with EVH, but he did so without slinging insults, he was just very factual.

The interviewer mentioned that it's been said that MA is the richest member ever to have been in Van Halen.  Michael's response, again, being very factual, shared that he's been married to the same woman for over 30 years, while other members have been through divorces, and that can be quite costly.  One of those members happens to be Hagar, not just the VH brothers.  When asked if the opportunity came to rejoin VH, he simply said that at this point in his life he felt content in declining the opportunity.

He gets the gentleman award in my book.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I have to give props to Michael Anthony in a recent Guitar magazine interview.
He shared briefly what it was like to be in the studio & write with EVH, but he did so without slinging insults, he was just very factual.

The interviewer mentioned that it's been said that MA is the richest member ever to have been in Van Halen.  Michael's response, again, being very factual, shared that he's been married to the same woman for over 30 years, while other members have been through divorces, and that can be quite costly.  One of those members happens to be Hagar, not just the VH brothers.  When asked if the opportunity came to rejoin VH, he simply said that at this point in his life he felt content in declining the opportunity.

He gets the gentleman award in my book.

I agree.  Good on him to take the high road, something Eddie (or Dave) probably wouldn't have done...

 

[Jusatele]

I have seen quite a few post VH interviews with MA and have to agree he is one of the most tactful and graceful members of that band. One of my favorites was on That Metal Show where he had a lot of opportunity to swing the sword and refused to.
I also think that VH suffers from not having him on board, he has a great voice for harmonies and is one of the most solid bass players in that style I have ever heard.
But bands evolve, weather for good or bad, it seems that celebrities sometimes make decisions for reasons we do not see from the outside and good or bad, well the world still turns.
Maybe it is technology, Before recorded music do you think bands had trouble like this?

 

[Cagey]

Maybe it is technology, Before recorded music do you think bands had trouble like this?

Absolutely. Artists and creative types often have very definite and inflexible beliefs about what's right/wrong with what they do, and are often some of the most unbalanced and emotionally disturbed people you'll ever meet. As much as I enjoy music, I would hate to work in that business. Buncha bitchy, irrational, obsessed, egotistical, and selectively manic dingbats. It's no wonder so many of them drink alcohol excessively and take powerful illicit drugs. They're self-medicating in a futile attempt to get normal.

 

[Jusatele]

Yea, OK cagey but that was not the drift of my post
What I was going for, was before recorded music, musicians were not real celebrities, Oh do not get me wrong, there are some well known singers, but how many guys were known for how well they played the Lute? and you hired guys to play for a party it usually was a small group of guys who did that as a side line not full time as they needed to make a living full time. I bet in the year 1650, you were excited you got to get paid for playing more than you were a egotistical ARTIST.
A lot of this current stuff is because with the advent of recorded music, certain musicians have become stars, who 200 years ago would have been sent off as a flake.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I have seen quite a few post VH interviews with MA and have to agree he is one of the most tactful and graceful members of that band. One of my favorites was on That Metal Show where he had a lot of opportunity to swing the sword and refused to.
I also think that VH suffers from not having him on board, he has a great voice for harmonies and is one of the most solid bass players in that style I have ever heard.
But bands evolve, weather for good or bad, it seems that celebrities sometimes make decisions for reasons we do not see from the outside and good or bad, well the world still turns.
Maybe it is technology, Before recorded music do you think bands had trouble like this?

MA was a huge part of VH's background sound.  Sure, they get by without him but it's readily apparent part of their signature sound is missing.

 

[Jusatele]

first time I heard Tattoo I was pulling out of Vegas at 3 in the morning, no not gambling, I had been working the satellite feed for the CES show. Anyway I started the car and  the song had first started, I guess they had announced the name before the song because it was not announced afterword. Well anyway when I got back to town and after a few days heard it later on one of the local stations and they said it was new From VH. I was blown away. I could nnt believe that was VH, the vibe was not a VH tune at all. Since i have decided a big part of that was the vocal harmonies just were not there. I guess that is part of not having MA in the band.
I like the song from the first time I heard it. I thought it was raw, pop and kinda retro. I think had I heard it was VH before, and not a few days later, I may have had a different opinion.
I guess bottom line is the 3rd reincarnation of VH is the Tattoo sound. And if they do sell this then you can ask, how many other bands can sell 4 different lineups to the public and survive?
Plus it seems David is doing foot Jives in stead of back springs, but then he is pushing 60 now.

 

[Cagey]

What I was going for, was before recorded music, musicians were not real celebrities

Right. Before recorded music, there were very few real celebrities because there was not really any such thing as "mass media". Fame, for the most part, was local at best. Most old entities who became famous did so quite some time after they did whatever it was that made them so because it was tough for anyone outside their circle to find out about them. Even Jesus was a local phenomena until substantially after his death. Shakespeare was not famous during his time. It's only been about 600 years since the printing press was invented, and only a couple hundred since it was scaled up to where books and other written material were industrialized to the point where they were viable as mass communication, and even then it was limited to the well-off. The phonograph has only been around about 150 years or so, cars and trucks less than that. Commercial radio has been around less than 100 years, and television for only about 60. CDs have only been around for 30 years, and widespread digital audio/visual files (and the Internet) for less than 20.

We take a lot for granted these days.

 

[m4rk0]

this sounds more like VH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tY7ZqN8Ksdg

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

this sounds more like VH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tY7ZqN8Ksdg

Just not feelin' that one at all.  The only positive thing I can say about that is that Dave's voice hasn't changed a bit.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Lyrically, Tattoo is in keeping with the DLR Van Halen.  I've never been moved by their words.  Have you seen Junior's grades, Reach down between my legs and ease the seat back, I don't feel tardy, and now Swap Meet Sally; still entertaining though.  The deepest they ever were, lyrically, was with Sammy, i.e., Right Now, etc.  Even if only pseudo deep lyrics.  Barring an insult to Sammy fans, when left to his own devices, he's a harder rockin' Jimmy Buffet.  Jimmy sings about flip flops, cheeseburgers, margaritas, and has parrot heads.  Sammy has Cabo and sings about Tequila.
ccasion14:

 

[Jusatele]

I really think putting a lot of thoght into any VH lyric is kinda fubby. No matter who was writing most of the songs were about 1 thing

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I really think putting a lot of thoght into any VH lyric is kinda fubby. No matter who was writing most of the songs were about 1 thing

Ice cream?  :toothy12:

 

[m4rk0]

Ice cream?  :toothy12:

Stay Frosty!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQPzNsA11MI

 

[Eric Banjitar]

Barring an insult to Sammy fans, when left to his own devices, he's a harder rockin' Jimmy Buffet.  Jimmy sings about flip flops, cheeseburgers, margaritas, and has parrot heads.  Sammy has Cabo and sings about Tequila.
ccasion14:

Clever and true

 

[Jusatele]

can I ask a question?
would anyone here turn down the success of Jimmy Buffet?

or trade the financial situation of Sammy Hagar for theirs?

Just because it is not you style.......they both are extremely successful in both the music business and finances.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

can I ask a question?
would anyone here turn down the success of Jimmy Buffet?

or trade the financial situation of Sammy Hagar for theirs?

Just because it is not you style.......they both are extremely successful in both the music business and finances.

That all depends on how much debt they have.  The more you make, the more you spend, and the more you spend, the more you owe.

I can assure you I wouldn't trade my baldness for either Jimmy's skullet or Sammy's mop.  ccasion14:

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Wouldn't turn any of it down.  I did say it was entertaining.  Who hasn't been drinking and sang along with any of those songs?

Everything in VH is written around the guitar solo.  That's why it's never mattered who was singing or playing bass.  Seriously, no one would miss Alex either.  Eddie is VH.  Arguing over who's a better singer, backup singer, or bass player, it's just details.  VH III, the success, or lack of, had nothing to do with Cherone.  It was, here we go again.  If they would've kept doing albums with him, we would've bought 'em.

 

[stubhead]

I do think that they're caught between rock and a soft place - their "Sammys" were the teen-prom stuff, their earlier success was due to Eddie's guitar and Roth's flamboyant, ummm, "singing style?" Aerosmith is in the same place... if they do something different, they're accused of selling out their fans and if they do the Same Ol' (Stuff), they're accused of not growing. Bob Dylan even talks about it in his "Chronicles" book, is there any point in trying to write songs knowing that you'll never reach the same combination of anger & hopefulness & testosterone that drove "the good stuff."

Van Halen's fans want want to be 15 again and they want Van Halen to be 25 again, but you won't be seeing any of Eddies knee slides or Roth's splits off the drum riser. At least you don't have zits to pop. KISS may have had the best idea without even knowing it way back then - who do really think is wearing those costumes nowadays....