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Daze of October said:
Well, throw me under the bus, but I never thought they were that great of a band to begin with.  Yeah, I liked "1984."  What 10 year old didn't?  Yeah, Eddie's a great guitarist.  Yeah, they have some great songs, but really, I've just never been overly into them.  :dontknow:

Just about everybody liked them early on, but I can't honestly say I knew anybody who would say VH was their favorite band. Favorite guitar player, sure. They were consistently good for a decent stretch as a kind of light-hearted rock band with a sense of humor.
 
jay4321 said:
Daze of October said:
Well, throw me under the bus, but I never thought they were that great of a band to begin with.  Yeah, I liked "1984."  What 10 year old didn't?  Yeah, Eddie's a great guitarist.  Yeah, they have some great songs, but really, I've just never been overly into them.  :dontknow:

Just about everybody liked them early on, but I can't honestly say I knew anybody who would say VH was their favorite band. Favorite guitar player, sure. They were consistently good for a decent stretch as a kind of light-hearted rock band with a sense of humor.

Exactly.  I could always appreciate their tongue-in-cheek songs like "Ice Cream Man."  They had some fun songs.
 
I remember hearing people tell me that Van Halen songs like jump and hot for teacher were dated and not relevant so much anymore. I honestly think these people couldn't be more wrong. The absolute best thing about these bands is that people my age can fall in love with their music and younger generations can become obsessed with music that existed long before they were born. That is some achievement, despite the money and fame and all the other stuff, the fact kids born decades later can listen to their music and fall in love with it is amazing, there can't be a better compliment to their genius then that.

And that goes for any other group that this rings true for. I'd love to see what other bands nowadays can boast the very same 30 years from now.
 
I agree. Songs like "Hot for Teacher" are designed to appeal to 13-15 year boys, and they always will. It's a timeless theme. There will always be 13-15 year old boys with current or recent memories of some teacher they'd like to... umm... do something with, and who appreciate driving, powerful music. Yeah, it's puerile stuff, but who cares? So's making out in the back seat of the car or theater, or behind the gym. Not gonna talk anybody out of that, and much of Van Halen's stuff is that way. They're playing to a market, not a Tchaikovsky competition.
 
So I bought the CD Today, and have to admit that it is awesome!!! I was pleasantly surprised! and Tattoo is absolutely the weakest song on it.. and even that one I like!! The rest of the album is actually heavier than what I expected!!
They are all in top form, even in their 60s! or close to it anyway.
 
When I saw them, they had an R&B guy named Ryan Shaw opening. Really strange match, honestly. He did a cover of Let It Be.
 
So I finally picked up the new VH Cd :headbang1:

My first complaint is that the CD was busted and I couldn't listen to anything past song #8  :sad:, I guess I'll have to head back to best buy at lunch for a exchange.

I'll prefix this with "I love me some Van Halen", VH was the first concert  I ever saw (1985), He is one of the reasons I picked up the guitar (the other was my dad telling me "no you are not playing drums!"). I like the Dave years and the Sammy years ... and ya I even liked some of the Gary stuff, furthermore although they are frowned upon nowadays a good pick slide, pinch harmonic and dive bomb still give me wood!

I have to say I like it, its different, some of it sound a bit like classic VH others sound ... well ... different. I was a bit surprised at how heavy some songs are, but I think that keeps them in line with current rock acts. Eds chops are good, Wolfgang is getting better and Dave is still Dave. Need to hear the rest of the record and let it soak in a bit but I'm sure this will get regular play in my playlist

I forget who said it but I have to agree that I'm not crazy for Ed's tone on this record, I'm all good with him trying to update his sound to stay current, but there is nothing special there, its seems generic to me, he could be playing Godsmack's guitar rig for all I know .... there is nothing Brown in his sound anymore.
 
Daze of October said:
...who wants to see 60 year old men in spandex?

Cagey!

:evil4:

Daze of October said:
Ice cream?  :toothy12:

Hey I LOVE "Ice Cream Man"... and yeah, kinda dig the homage ala Stay Frosty.

MULLY should really be all over this thread seeing (in my eyes at least) he's 'Joe Van Halen'.... in his blog he does a review and states:

"The CD consists of a LOT of rehashed licks and tricks from days gone by. Half of the songs on the album are songs that they took from their 1976 demo tape. Lyrics have changed here and there, licks and phrases have been mixed around a bit, but, if you own the demo, you've heard a lot of these songs before."

For me personally, I was really wanting something that grabbed me by the balls like "Hot for Teacher" did when I first heard it back in the day.

There are a couple of really good, rockin' songs, but nothing to match that HFT feeling...

ORC
 
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My first complaint is that the CD was busted and I couldn't listen to anything past song #8 
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Are you sure the CD was busted, or were VH still hacking up the same old hairball and you couldn't tell the difference?  Teehee.

-Mark
 
Bought the CD last week.  Still trying to like it...  Not really happening.  I don't hear a song that makes you want to sing along to and yes you can want to sing along or play air guitar to some VH songs.  There is no Jamie's Crying, You Really Got Me (yes I know it wasn't their's first), Running With the Devil, Hor for the Teacher, Jump LIttle Guitars or most of Van  Hagar songs (like them or not you probably found yourself at least bouncing along).

It also seems to me that all the songs seem to fast....  Seems like they are trying to prove they can play and sing fast.  If it wasn't a cd, I would be reaching for the turntable speed knob to slow it down.
 
Jcurl02 said:
Bought the CD last week.  Still trying to like it...  Not really happening.  I don't hear a song that makes you want to sing along to and yes you can want to sing along or play air guitar to some VH songs.  There is no Jamie's Crying, You Really Got Me (yes I know it wasn't their's first), Running With the Devil, Hor for the Teacher, Jump LIttle Guitars or most of Van  Hagar songs (like them or not you probably found yourself at least bouncing along).

It also seems to me that all the songs seem to fast....  Seems like they are trying to prove they can play and sing fast.  If it wasn't a cd, I would be reaching for the turntable speed knob to slow it down.

I see your point. Tracks 4; China Town and 6; Bullethead - I don't like, they're very fast, and sound rushed - like their hurrying before they get kicked out of the studio or something.
Overall through the album Eddie's tone seems very Sammy-era.

My faves so far:
3. You and Your Blues
7. As is
11. Stay Frosty (very 'Ice Cream Man'-ish which I'm a big fan of, the tone of this song is the closest I've heard to the old school 'brown sound')
12. Big River
13. Beats Workin'

Not a fan of 'Tattoo' (although I don't dislike it either) it just sounds too 'flagship wannabe hit single for showcasing the new album' to me. Lol.  :icon_jokercolor:

I really want to like track 10; Outta Space - but the chorus really kills it for me.

I was really hoping/looking for some kind of 'Hot for Teacher' analogue... nope.

There are a few tracks that have some rocking rifts that when I hear them, I'm saying "ok, here we go...old school VH!" (like the intro to Beats Workin') then switches key or tempo and... nope.

P.S. Not a SINGLE Synth to be heard on the album as far as I know! (As I'm listening to the intro on 1984...)  :)
 
I always thought of the "Hot for Teacher" lick as being the "La Grange" lick backwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GZFbCqx18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2hox--bR8&ob=av3n

It's an old, old lick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBz4ASw6uU

And John Lee Hooker undoubtedly stole it from somewhere else before recording it in 1948.
 
StubHead said:
I always thought of the "Hot for Teacher" lick as being the "La Grange" lick backwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GZFbCqx18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2hox--bR8&ob=av3n

It's an old, old lick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBz4ASw6uU

And John Lee Hooker undoubtedly stole it from somewhere else before recording it in 1948.
Billy has been quoted as saying, he borrowed a bunch of licks from various old blues artists over the years..

But HFT does have a La Grange vibe to it, just a bit faster..

So I guess what goes around, really does come around... :dontknow:
 
For a younger guy, whose first music memory was the smoking cherub on the cover of my Aunt Mary's "1984" LP, this is a blast to a better time. Sure, there are politics and things that people don't like (I'm with many of you guys who think it was nasty how Mike was stink-fingered out of the gig), but there are plusses. Dave sounds pretty good with a little rust and rasp in his pipes--he may not be able to do the screaming howl as much as he used to, but to me, an old Camaro with a 350 sounds better to me than a VW GTR with a turbo when you stomp on the gas. It is odd to see him without that frizzy mane of hair of his though, but rockers age like the rest of us, and hair has to get cut. However, the day I see someone like Tom Hamilton of Aerosmith wear a short haircut that lets you see what his ears actually look like, you know hell has frozen over and the Browns and the Lions both made it to the Super Bowl.

One thing that makes me smile is that it sounds like Van Halen!  It's the first lineup sound--not only with the playing and the vocals, but with the filth and sleaze the old albums had prior to Sammy taking the ropes. I like Sammy and all he's associated with (his solo career, Montrose, Chickenfoot)--don't get me wrong, but "5150," to me, is what realizing you knocked your girlfriend up sounds like on vinyl. You go from being "Hot for Teacher" to asking yourself "Why Can't This Be Love?"  Plus, Dave and I both have birthdays on October 10th (just like Brett Favre, the original "hillbilly diva"), which means I feel a little obligated to stay on that side of the fence.

One thing that suprises me though--why is Wolfie built like an offensive lineman?  When your parents are Eddie Van Halen (not the worst looking guy in the world--there are much uglier) and Valerie Bertenelli (who ranks up right there with Marilu Henner when it comes to ageless bombshells), you'd figure you wouldn't have such broad shoulders. For someone who grew up in California, he could pass for a corn-fed midwesterner any day.
 
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