Strat Head style

[elgravos]

2 perhaps, but warmoth only make one.

 

[Doughboy]

Me thinks that reverse headstocks is booootiful

 

[Jusatele]

personally the headstock direction is a personal thing, I could care less, I like it both ways

 

[Doughboy]

Reverse headstocks on none locking nut necks will also give you a different feel & tone as well due to the string lenght & tension. It's cool to have 2 different strats with different headstocks for something different.

 

[line6man]

Reverse headstocks on none locking nut necks will also give you a different feel & tone as well due to the string lenght & tension.

What? :icon_scratch:

 

[Disco Scottie]

Reverse headstocks on none locking nut necks will also give you a different feel & tone as well due to the string lenght & tension.

What? :icon_scratch:

He's talking about the length of each string behind the nut. On a regular stock, the low E is the shortest and the high E is the longest... obviously it's the other way around on a reverse stock. I'll have to take his word for it regarding different feel and tone, as I don't have one here to compare.

 

[swarfrat]

people say the same thing about jazzmasters and the length of string behind the bridge. The difference is that on the jazzmaster it is  always in play. Personally if I can hear it at all, I wind a strip of cloth through those spaces to kill the resonances that don't usually correspond to valid notes, let alone the ones I'm playing.

 

[m4rk0]

Reverse headstocks on none locking nut necks will also give you a different feel & tone as well due to the string lenght & tension.

What? :icon_scratch:

He's talking about the length of each string behind the nut. On a regular stock, the low E is the shortest and the high E is the longest... obviously it's the other way around on a reverse stock. I'll have to take his word for it regarding different feel and tone, as I don't have one here to compare.

I am not sure if it is my imagination, but I always thought that a regular strat head has a 'bendier'  B and high E than a reverse or 3x3 (of the same scale). I always assumed it was because there is more string behind the nut...  :dontknow:

 

[Cagey]

I am not sure if it is my imagination, but I always thought that a regular strat head has a 'bendier'  B and high E than a reverse or 3x3 (of the same scale). I always assumed it was because there is more string behind the nut...  :dontknow:

That's a commonly held belief, as it seems to make sense, intuitively. But, fact is, there's no difference. For a given string length and diameter, you have to get it to a certain tension in order for it to vibrate at a certain frequency. The important thing to remember, though, is the string length we're talking about is the "speaking" length. That is, the scale length, or the distance between the bridge and nut, or the distance between fulcrum points, however you want to refer to it. The length of the string past those points has no effect. The overall string length could be 97", but if you're using a .010" diameter steel string and your scale length is 25.5", you have to tighten up to 13.13 lbs. to get a high "E" on a guitar. The only way to get around that is to change the scale length or the diameter of the string. Changing the overall length won't do it.

But, the power of suggestion is tremendous. If you tell someone it makes a difference and they have no way of figuring it out on their own and they think you're an authoritive source, then it will feel different to them.

 

[richship]

The length of the string before the nut does have an effect when stretching the string by bending or whammy or whatever. The speaking length of the string will change. Also, it should take more bend to change the pitch on a string with more behind the nut as the increase in tension is distributed along the whole length, not just the speaking length.

 

[line6man]

Reverse headstocks on none locking nut necks will also give you a different feel & tone as well due to the string lenght & tension.

What? :icon_scratch:

He's talking about the length of each string behind the nut. On a regular stock, the low E is the shortest and the high E is the longest... obviously it's the other way around on a reverse stock. I'll have to take his word for it regarding different feel and tone, as I don't have one here to compare.

What happens beyond the nut and beyond the saddles has no effect on anything as long as you have a good downward tension over the nut/saddles.

 

[Doughboy]

Reverse headstocks on none locking nut necks will also give you a different feel & tone as well due to the string lenght & tension.

What? :icon_scratch:

He's talking about the length of each string behind the nut. On a regular stock, the low E is the shortest and the high E is the longest... obviously it's the other way around on a reverse stock. I'll have to take his word for it regarding different feel and tone, as I don't have one here to compare.

What happens beyond the nut and beyond the saddles has no effect on anything as long as you have a good downward tension over the nut/saddles.

That's what I used to think before I played a reverse headstock strat & A/B-ed them together.

 

[AutoBat]

I'm trying this hard to care about the string length after the nut or before the bridge

 

[lyndontravis]

When and where it was held?

 

[DangerousR6]

I'm trying this hard to care about the string length after the nut or before the bridge

Now that's determination.....

 

[JaySwear]

to drive or smoke?

 

[DangerousR6]

to drive or smoke?

both... :laughing7:

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

If the dude seems calm, it's because he hasn't run out of cigarettes yet.  He may be on his way to get more.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Sting behind the nut or bridge, more is made out of it than exists me thinks.  While string tension, pitch and scale length, all that is fact and proven, more string beyond the scale length of the bridge and nut, it can make a difference in how the sting stretches.  We all know multiple wraps around posts can cause a string to go flat as it's bent.  If there are less wraps, there's less string to stretch.  If a string's trapeze tail peice stretched to the strap button, that's a few more inches of string that stretches during a bend than if it just wrapped around a tail piece.  Your effectively giving a 25.5 scale length 30+ inches of string to stretch (if a shallow breakover angle) even if at the same tension and scale length bridge to nut.

But again, how much of that really matters?

 

[Cagey]

But again, how much of that really matters?

How much? None at all. The string can be 75 miles long, but it still has to be at a specific tension for its diameter and mass in order to vibrate at a given frequency at a given length.

For as often as the assertion that string length matters comes up, I'm surprised nobody has ever come up with a test fixture to prove reality once and for all. Somebody ought to see if a magazine would be interested in sponsoring an article on it. It would become reference material forever, and they'd get 80 bajillion hits out of the deal.