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[Cagey]

Robert Planet? Phbbt. Look at Mick Jagger or Bob Dylan. I've heard Siamese cats in heat that sounded better. Always makes me wonder why anybody would be embarrassed to sing. You don't need to be good at it to make it big. A little willingness goes a long way.

Not that you'll catch me doing it... <grin>

 

[Orpheo]

Strings wear, particularly at the fretting points. So, the string is thinner there. As strange as it sounds, old strings actually play better than new ones because they don't bang on the frets so much. The contact points have a couple/few thousandths more clearance. Problem is, old strings don't vibrate as well because they're all out of shape and full of finger residue, so they sound bad. Put a new set on, and they ring true and you love what you've done for your baby, but they buzz like hell until you wear them out a bit. Then it's time to replace them because they're fulla finger kukka again.

Bass players have been boiling their strings for years because they're so expensive. Get rid of the finger kukka, and they ring nicely again while still having the wear points in place. Guitar players generally don't go through those kinds of gyrations because it's too much work for a $3 set of strings and you'd have to do it every week.

thats why I clean my frets with naphta and vinegar and protect them with fastfret to stop corrosion. it works like a charm.

 

[stubhead]

Being a "good" singer, meaning able to hit and hold pitches, not too nasal, not given to episodes of on-stage grunting, keening, yowling etc., puts one squarely in the category of being an ordinary singer, while the grunters, keeners and yowlers at least draw attention. When Madonna came out, she could sing on-tune, but almost entirely unadorned, almost like chanting, she sang like a moderately talented 10-year-old girl. And now, thirty years on, after racking up millions (billions?) and having all that time, money and opportunity to take some breath-control lessons, learn some jazz inflections, study her "art": yet, she stills sings exactly like a moderately talented 10-year-old girl.

Umm, duh, her exceedingly-carefully-chosen AUDIENCE was... 10-year-old girls. It's the Ronald McDonald approach, get 'em while they're tykes, and you'll earn forever... It worked for Frank Sinatra and the bobby-soxers, though they were more like a mature 13 years old. The thing is, it only takes a few years and 13 (or 10)-year-old girls grow up to be 16 and become a very high point of interest to, say, 16-year-old boys. Do you think there was ever a single solitary 17-year-old boy who bought a Madonna CD because he liked it? Yiminy.

I have a friend (female) who resolutely refuses to read Pattie Boyd's and Eric Clapton's autobiographies, because they say mean things about George Harrison. Apparently in between long episodes of Hinduesque asceticism (and celibacy re: Pattie) he had to take vacations involving scotch, cocaine and groupies. And as most serious fans refuse to know, the Beatles honed their talents from 1960 to 1962 playing in G.I. strip clubs in Hamburg, subsiding on booze and every kind of pill imaginable, at one point actually living in a whorehouse who's residents adopted them as pets. And then they moved back to England, grew out the moptops, and quite consciously adopted characters: the Smart One, the Quiet One, the Cute One, the Doofus. And began writing songs for 10-year-old girls like "Love Me Do",  "Please Please Me", "I Want to Hold Your WHAT?", etc.

Tho point is: these people were extremely talented at what they did, far more than you or I (duh), but what they did was really marginally related to being, or becoming, a "good" "singer."

 

[bagman67]

If this is what a "good" singer does, I'll take a bad one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULmC8JTTVy0






[btw, once you've recovered from the video, I humbly suggest that this be the Unofficial Warmoth version of Godwin's Law:  Once someone invokes [this particular video], the ability to be reasonable has been abandoned.]

 

[Alfang]

Bagman, Surprisingly I liked that, not sure if it needed more cowbell, or No cowbell.

Fan of celine or not, the woman can sing, and covering an AC/DC tune just adds to ac/dc fame

 

[Strat Avenger]

Bagman, Surprisingly I liked that, not sure if it needed more cowbell, or No cowbell.

Fan of celine or not, the woman can sing, and covering an AC/DC tune just adds to ac/dc fame

I think she's a hack.  :confused4:

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

thats why I clean my frets with naphta and vinegar and protect them with fastfret to stop corrosion. it works like a charm.

A rolling stone gathers no moss.  I don't have 17 guitars to worry about, but corrosion build up on frets wearing out my strings hasn't been a concern.  Nickel fretwire usually wears off before it rusts off.  Playing them usually keeps them clean.  It is metal to metal contact afterall.

 

[pabloman]

Climate is a huge factor. Humidity in particular.

 

[Alfang]

Well Street Avenger, you don't have to like her, that's fine.

But when you call someone like that a hack, all you do is reduce anything credible you might have to say in the future.

It's a big beacon for how narrow minded you might be,

Theres a lot of good talent out there that I don't like, But I still know they have talent.

 

[Strat Avenger]

Well Street Avenger, you don't have to like her, that's fine.

But when you call someone like that a hack, all you do is reduce anything credible you might have to say in the future.

It's a big beacon for how narrow minded you might be,

There's a lot of good talent out there that I don't like, But I still know they have talent.

Yeah, that's me..."narrow minded" if I don't like Celine Dion. And yeah, nothing I say in the future has any credibility, 'cuz I recognize that Celine Dion is a hack. Mmm-hmm...got'cha.

The fact is that too many people cannot differentiate between "talent" and commercial hype. Sad but true...

 

[stubhead]

I tend to be at least suspicious of the types of music in which I can't differentiate between the real thing, and the spoofs. I mean, how do you spoof opera? Stick a fat lady in a Viking hat, poke her with a spear, and as she yowls, dying, the audience cries. Except that's also real opera, the audience really does cry, a whole bunch of intelligent people have been going there for a few centuries, they have books and fan clubs and the spend a hell of a lot of money on the stuff - that's what started the $150 ticket prices that Mick Jagger only recently heard about.

How do you spoof rap? Hang a bunch of costume jewelry on a fat black guy, who yells pornographic nursery rhymes about getting shot, blown, drunk, arrested, stoned, imprisoned - except that's real, too, and it wins Grammies every year, which at least proves someone has the talent to win Grammies.  How do you spoof old country blues? Mumble, repeat yourself, make sure to sing and play out-of-tune in sudden, twitchy bursts - except Eric Clapton made a few "critically-acclaimed" albums just like that. This woman plays with passion, experience, dedication:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaK4x7TLQ3E&feature=related

But itt sounds like a godawful mess to me.... you're excused if you had to bail before the end, I can't listen to "real" blues for for more than 30 seconds or so.

I am reminded that there are serious Hindu yogis who dedicate their life to self-control of the body. There are a few who can stick a marble up their butt, and 16 or 18 hours later, spit it out their mouth. And it takes 20 years to learn to do that.

At some point, I guess I just have to accept that I am allowed to have preferences, and they are controlled by lots of things besides intelligence, education, broad-or-narrow mindedness etc. But the greatest blues guitarists really have been white, and Celine Dion still sucks. HERE'S A BAD SINGER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMARixzu6O0

Now back to my marble....

 

[pabloman]

It's a lot easier to put it in your mouth and let it come out your butt. THAT would probably make you a hack.  :icon_jokercolor:

 

[Alfang]

All I was saying is this, if a lotta people like em, maybe they are good, you don't have to like em.

But when so many people like and artist, and you say they suck? It would be more appropriate to say you dislike them, or they don't do it for you, or whatever.

And street, you still haven't got your head arround the 18 radius at the bridge.......

 

[stubhead]

Ah! The oblique attack. Velly Chinese, Massa Fang. arty07:

 

[Strat Avenger]

All I was saying is this, if a lotta people like em, maybe they are good, you don't have to like em.

But when so many people like and artist, and you say they suck? It would be more appropriate to say you dislike them, or they don't do it for you, or whatever.

And street, you still haven't got your head around the 18 radius at the bridge.......

Really? Then why did I concede my argument? 

Oh, and I was just giving the reason why I "dislike" it -- because she sucks. Consumers are like sheep. Hype a product enough, and they will buy it and praise it. Believe it or not, the majority can be wrong. It's a historical fact, and a behavior that will continue into the future. I've heard people at the local bars that have more musical talent (or singing talent) than Celine Dion -- people who will never be famous.

 

[Cagey]

It's a logical fallacy called "proof by assertion". Marketing weenies use it all the time, mainly because it works. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth". Many old wive's tales have their roots there. Somebody draws a false conclusion/observation or erroneously decides correlation=causation, and the repetition makes it into common knowledge and a falsehood becomes dogma.

But, yeah. Celine Dion sucks. Common knowledge <grin>

 

[stubhead]

She's married to this really creepy old guy who heard her sing a song she wrote at the age of 13, and then financed her career, but held off on "romance" till she was legal (snorg, snorg etc.) And now he loses her Vegas income at the tables, so it worked out just perfect!

(and if THAT'S not enough drift to murder this thread, mebbe this will?):

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

13?  I thought it was 12.

 

[Hobosaur]

Oh, and I was just giving the reason why I "dislike" it -- because she sucks. Consumers are like sheep. Hype a product enough, and they will buy it and praise it. Believe it or not, the majority can be wrong. It's a historical fact, and a behavior that will continue into the future. I've heard people at the local bars that have more musical talent (or singing talent) than Celine Dion -- people who will never be famous.

How can people be right or wrong about something as subjective as whether somebody "sucks" or not? With a word like that that's thrown around so much and subject to so much interpretation, I challenge you to come up with a definition of "sucks" that all the members of the board agree on.

You realize there's more to being an entertaining singer than talent and skill, right? Just like how being able to play the phrygian mode backwards at 300 bpm isn't going to get you out of your mom's basement.

 

[Patrick from Davis]

Cagey explained it properly.  I would substitute fact and opinion into his post, but I don't like the word fact much.  Well, maybe only as an opposite of opinion.  Even then it is touchie.  I think the rule is, You're all entitled to an opinion around here, but nobody has to listen to it either.
Patrick