Non recessed floyd route setup

stratamania

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bruzanhd said:
Since making this thread I've done some modifying and research on achieving this setup. Anyone saying decked floyds are a bad idea is simply uneducated on the matter. When floyds first came out this is essentially how all of them were setup and designed. Think most 80s guitarists (EVH especially).

That is a bit of a sweeping statement and not correct.

I don't like decked Floyds I prefer them to float and that is how most designs are. I actually was a guitarist prior to and through the 80s and to now. I have used Floyds since the 80s. I can categorically tell you first hand that Floyds in the 80s most certainly did float. I still have one of my 80s guitars with a Floyd and it floats and was set up like that by the manufacturer and it is a set neck.

Some 80s guitarists like EVH (who used also a D-Tuna in later years) used a dive only set up. But some does not equal most or all.
 

bruzanhd

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stratamania said:
bruzanhd said:
Since making this thread I've done some modifying and research on achieving this setup. Anyone saying decked floyds are a bad idea is simply uneducated on the matter. When floyds first came out this is essentially how all of them were setup and designed. Think most 80s guitarists (EVH especially).

That is a bit of a sweeping statement and not correct.

I don't like decked Floyds I prefer them to float and that is how most designs are. I actually was a guitarist prior to and through the 80s and to now. I have used Floyds since the 80s. I can categorically tell you first hand that Floyds in the 80s most certainly did float. I still have one of my 80s guitars with a Floyd and it floats and was set up like that by the manufacturer and it is a set neck.

Some 80s guitarists like EVH (who used also a D-Tuna in later years) used a dive only set up. But some does not equal most or all.

Fair enough. But first  came out I’m meaning prototypes. Like the frt1-5 versions were mostly setup not to float. However I still think it’s odd say that decked is a “bad idea” it’s just a performance preference. It’s like saying low action is a bad idea. It’s neither good or bad. It’s just preference.
 

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I don't think anyone in the thread said that decking a Floyd is a bad idea just members provided information that the angled neck pockets and recessed routs Warmoth offer are intended for floating Floyds and other geometry via shims (which you thought were a bad idea) or a trem stop, non angled pocket is needed if you want dive only.



 

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bruzanhd said:
... However I still think it’s odd say that decked is a “bad idea” it’s just a performance preference. It’s like saying low action is a bad idea. It’s neither good or bad. It’s just preference.
Like I explained above, decking (tightening the springs until the trem sits against the body) a FR trem is objectively a BAD IDEA because it won't sit flat against the body and will probably damage the top too.  It's *possible* yours might sit flush and won't damage the body, but very unlikely.  But blocking a FR with a trem stopper of some type (as opposed to decking) to get dive-only is a perfectly legit setup choice.  Ideally with a spring-style trem stopper or Tremol-no type device.
 

TheGreatRedDragon

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When I built my Charvel I ordered the body without an angled pocket so I could deck it. That wasn't a problem. The problem was, with the bridge as low as it could go the action was still way too high and I ended up having to shim it. With a .5 degree shim and the Floyd decked I've got the action where I want it.

For my next build with a Floyd I will be getting an angled pocket and really on a trem stopper. More flexibility. Relying on the height of the bridge and the height of the fingerboard to magically line up is impractical.
 

rlefty

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I know it's not exactly what you want to hear, but in the past I have had good luck using this trem stop https://floydrose.com/collections/trem-stops/products/frtl?variant=29837632850. Works very well and you could actually install two of them if you were so inclined. I'd imagine it's more stable than a tremol-no long term if you don't plan on switching back and forth very quickly.
 

bruzanhd

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TheOtherEric said:
bruzanhd said:
... However I still think it’s odd say that decked is a “bad idea” it’s just a performance preference. It’s like saying low action is a bad idea. It’s neither good or bad. It’s just preference.
Like I explained above, decking (tightening the springs until the trem sits against the body) a FR trem is objectively a BAD IDEA because it won't sit flat against the body and will probably damage the top too.  It's *possible* yours might sit flush and won't damage the body, but very unlikely.  But blocking a FR with a trem stopper of some type (as opposed to decking) to get dive-only is a perfectly legit setup choice.  Ideally with a spring-style trem stopper or Tremol-no type device.

The baseplate is flat? I don’t agree with your assessment. Mine rests perfectly fine after some modifications to the body. Plenty of 80s guitarists were running this setup.
 

bruzanhd

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As an update:

I’ve updated my build thread to include how I have achieved this setup finally. It was playing very well for a few days with 4.5/64ths of action on the low E. Guitar is now at the luthiers place and I expect it to play even smoother after the fret level and professional setup. Floyd was flat as well. Some modification to the neck angle was performed with sand paper. In the future I would order the body without the neck angle and then shim to my own preference.

And as someone mentioned, expecting the neck angle to line up is definitely not realistic, however since these are custom instruments, we can make the neck angle lineup our selves with a little elbow grease.
 
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