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I like Alfang's proposal better.  Otherwise it ends up turning into a popularity contest (like a GOTM winner) with an attached prize.  The element of chance should be involved, IMO.
 
i guess not to many people here enjoy the spirit of competition, fair 'nuff im out till you guys decide how this thing will be run or if it get run at all..

but to be honest alfangs idea makes things interesting in its own way, not a bad idea at all but i dont see whats wrong with a normal contest be it a popularity contest or not.
 
Anyhoo...

Know what's even more fair than a random drawing?

Saving up and buying your guitar with your own $$$... no raffle can take that away from ya.  :sign13:
 
Superlizard said:
Anyhoo...

Know what's even more fair than a random drawing?

Saving up and buying your guitar with your own $$$... no raffle can take that away from ya.   :sign13:

I don't have any money in the budget for guitars right now, and it's going to be that way for a while.
Those of you that build a guitar every month, go do that. I'll be hoping for a chance at winning something somehow, so that I can have a third Warmoth...
 
GoDrex said:
But like she said, no one is forcing me to enter. I'm really surprised by SuperT00bs reaction to this btw.

Well, I happen to believe in fairness.  And the only bias I go for involves t00000bs.   :laughing7:

Jane Schmoe getting more votes cuz she's Joe Blow's friend does not = fair.
Joe Schmoe getting more votes cuz everybody kisses his ass does not = fair.
etc...

It's all about changing the rules of the game to give a personal advantage... and we're talking $1000 or more at stake... not cool.

I knew exactly what was up the moment I started reading this thread.

But hey, it's your guys' hard earned $$$ - if you wanna gamble it on personal biases and popularity, go for it.   :doh:
 
Ha, I just tired clicking on "go for it" because I thought it was a link. :doh: Has everyone just been voting on GOTM because they liked the builders? It's only a popularity contest if the voters (you) make it one.
 
I have never voted that way, and I highly doubt the vast majority of the voters have either.  I have voted for people I didn't even really know a few times.  I don't see why you would vote for a guitar you don't like the best, regardless of who came up with it. 
 
i think im starting to understand this a little bit better but i think ill sit out and just vote to see how the whole idea plays out. i thought it wasa competition for who can photoshop the best looking guitar, but since that is not the case i like this idea a little bit better  :icon_thumright:

BTW Alfang your idea incorporates the best of both worlds and i am totally down with that proposal. it takes away the idea of this being a "popularity contest" as some people have interpreted this to be, myself included.
 
You know what? I've never voted for GOTM yet. I believe that every guitar that was voted GOTM absolutely deserved to win, but the same is true for two or three non-winning guitars every month. If that same process is linked to handing out a large sum of money, I'll start feeling even less comfortable with that. I can tell up front that there will be half a dozen or more very similar concepts submitted by people each of who we know to be capable of translating the concept into a perfectly executed instrument, so on what do we base our vote? I have no problem with this kind of competition being set up but I won't enter a design and if the rules end up allowing non-participating board members to vote I won't do that either.
 
I think Alfang's idea makes sense, practicalities aside.

I also see BF's point. I've never felt completely good about voting for GOTM because in the end, what am I voting for if not the guitar that resonates most closely with what I would like to build and own myself? When the other guitars are just as worthy to win. The instruments are too personal to be comparable in any meaningful way.

Saving up and buying your guitar with your own $$$... no raffle can take that away from ya.

I think this is a big reason for why I'd feel really weird about winning any drawing/contest. Oh well.
 
If pictures are submitted annonymously, we don't have the popluarity contest issue... unless... it has... a floyd...  :laughing8: I don't like the idea of raffling the votes because that destroys the purpose of the competition. This isn't welfare, guys. It's ok for someone to be better than someone else. Lol.
 
Justinginn said:
If pictures are submitted annonymously, we don't have the popluarity contest issue... unless... it has... a floyd...   :laughing8:

Just because they're submitted anonymously doesn't stop anyone from private messaging/calling their forum friends and saying, "hey mine's this one - vote for mine!".

Justinginn said:
This isn't welfare, guys.

In a way it is - someone here is looking to get a free handout of other people's $$$.  :icon_jokercolor:
 
well you have to operate on the honor system -- something I guess some of you honor-less, distrusting bastids ain't capable of. :laughing7:

I know I wouldn't do something like that just because I don't want to be that guy. I don't feel like it would help me since I feel like most people would look at it like a d00chey kind of move - - but yeah I guess some campaigning could possibly happen.
 
Superlizard said:
Absolutely not... aside from some of the aforementioned reasons, it would be all too easy to get a biased result when you involve
people voting, and this system could be easily abused.  Popularity contests belong in high school and GOM polls, not lotteries.

Just imagine doing a state lottery that way... heh.

Should keep it a random draw so everyone gets a truly fair chance, and thus keep personal bias outta the picture.

EDIT:  I can't believe some of you are falling for this scam.  You're willing to gamble $ based on a popularity contest?   :tard: :tard: :tard:

GOTM/Y is not a popularity contest, and I don't think Hannah's plan would be either. I think forum members here are passionate enough about guitars to vote for the design, not the person..

in regards to other comments in this topic:
My Guitar was GOTY and 1, it wasn't a strat or tele, 2, it doesn't have a flame maple top and 3, it had gold hardware, which is very much frowned upon on this forum..
so everything is possible.

Also, I really like this forum, because unlike other forums i frequent, it is not dominated by a bunch of hardcore members or an Elite group. Newbies are always welcomed with respect and I have never witnessed any ass kissing amongst the more frequent posters..
 
I didn't read all 5 pages, but I'm against it because I've never seen any bass building Kisekae, just guitar ones.  If I won, I'd build another bass.  Besides, W has more options than the Kisekae (sp?) builder.  I wouldn't want to pick a winner based on the Kisekae limitations.
 
I definitely think some of you guys are overreacting a bit to this
I really don't see people voting for anything other than the design they like the most. Honestly, I just don't see anybody bothering to be sneaky and messaging their friends and telling them "vote for mine." But i guess i haven't been on the boards that long and I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt.
It's true that if you only have one vote, you're gonna want to vote for yourself.. But each person having 3 votes is a pretty good way of balancing that out.

Would voting be open to people who aren't partcipating? that complicates things a bit too, because then it WOULD be really easy to just create account after account and vote for yourself.
 
Yeah, that's kind of why I was thinking that the voting be done by just making a thread and everyone writing out who they are voting for, that way people can't do that and we all know who is voting.
 
Just read the whole thread.  Feel random is the only way to do it best.  The compromise all but excludes me.  What I would design wouldn't have a chance, so I wouldn't bother entering.  If others felt the same way, the # of entries would be less.
 
hannaugh said:
Yeah, that's kind of why I was thinking that the voting be done by just making a thread and everyone writing out who they are voting for, that way people can't do that and we all know who is voting.

So we predicate it with a rule that you must have X number of posts in order to vote just as a safety?
 
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