Floyd rose tremolo without...

[Bruno]

...locking nut (but with good machine head - sperzel T/L, Schaller lok, gotoh 510 etc.).

I'm trying various tremolos, but my favorite it's always FR. Even if I hate locking nut...
So I'm thinking: why not a FR without lock nut? Someone try it?

 

[DangerousR6]

Never heard of anyone trying it, I've often thought about it too, with some locking tuners..

Go for it dude...Let us know how that works out... :headbang:

 

[Cagey]

If I would have followed through with that black VIP, it would have had a Floyd without a locking nut. The locking nut was originally created because locking tuners and low-friction nuts weren't available back then.

Thing is, if you don't have a locking nut, you don't need a Floyd, whose main feature is the micro-tuners. They have no purpose without the locked nut that prevents your main tuners from working. So, if you want a reliable, repeatable, wide-range vibrato bridge, you want a Wilkinson.

 

[DangerousR6]

If I would have followed through with that black VIP, it would have had a Floyd without a locking nut. The locking nut was originally created because locking tuners and low-friction nuts weren't available back then.

Thing is, if you don't have a locking nut, you don't need a Floyd, whose main feature is the micro-tuners. They have no purpose without the locked nut that prevents your main tuners from working. So, if you want a reliable, repeatable, wide-range vibrato bridge, you want a Wilkinson.

You can still use the fine tuners on the bridge even with locking tuners. So there is just cause for a Floyd....Always... :headbang1:

 

[Cagey]

You can still use the fine tuners on the bridge even with locking tuners. So there is just cause for a Floyd....Always... :headbang1:

True enough, but why would you want to?

 

[DangerousR6]

You can still use the fine tuners on the bridge even with locking tuners. So there is just cause for a Floyd....Always... :headbang1:

True enough, but why would you want to?

Why do we ask, "is it o.k. to yell MOVIE in a crowded firehouse"...."Does the pope shyt in the woods".....?

 

[line6man]

You can still use the fine tuners on the bridge even with locking tuners. So there is just cause for a Floyd....Always... :headbang1:

True enough, but why would you want to?

Um...  Because you can! :tard:

Seriously, though, I don't get it either. There is no reason to use the fine tuners if you don't have a locking nut.

 

[AutoBat]

you could use the fine tuner to fine tune.

 

[line6man]

you could use the fine tuner to fine tune.

Extremist!  :icon_jokercolor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7QSWdymd0  :blob7: :icon_biggrin:

(I don't know if Satch was playing a Floyd or one of the Ibanez variants of it, in 1992. I'm not too knowledgeable on his gear history.  :dontknow

 

[swarfrat]

Movie probably gets yelled in crowded fire houses more often than you think.

We now have an entire generation of guitarists who've grown up since Floyds became mainstream, and not only don't know what they're missing, but like it. Plus there's other Floydisms like flutter that you don't get with a low mass bridge with different mechanics.

 

[Bruno]

But none consider the hypothesis (unhealthy perhaps) that someone - like me - can love the tone of a floyd rose bridge?

 

[Cagey]

A Floyd Rose bridge has tone? The only commentary I've ever heard in that regard is that it is a tone sucker that degrades the character of any given guitar, but I tend to doubt if even that is true. It has a lot of mass, good saddles, and a good mounting scheme, so mechanically/sonically it should be somewhat neutral. As was pointed out earlier, Satriani uses one (or a close variant) and he certainly isn't suffering for it.

 

[Bruno]

A Floyd Rose bridge has tone?

You can easily ridicule what I think, I will not offended  :icon_thumright:.
If I write it is because I think it.
Then, if I'd said that in the past, Mark Knopfler (not really the last of the stupid - like me...  :dontknow has used a guitar with Floyd Rose no-recessed *only for the tone* (Suhr's words), would not change anything, I am aware

 

[Bruno]

So... VS100 have a zinc-block and Schaller Floyd (the ones I use) brass-block; VS100 saddles are very different from those (massive) of FR...  Let's say: it's too easy, I should be deaf to not feel differences  :laughing7:

 

[Cagey]

I'm not ridiculing what you think, I'm only saying what I think. I don't think the Floyd has any effect on tone. That is, it's neutral. Some others think it has a detrimental effect. Nobody thinks it has a positive effect, since that would be nearly impossible. So, in a way, I'm on your side. That's pretty rare in discussions with me regarding Floyds <grin>

It's not just Floyds, though. Those who think the Floyd has a detrimental effect are inclined to think any vibrato bridge is a Bad Thing. While I don't think that's entirely true, I do believe there are some vibrato bridges that belong securely at the bottom of the trash heap. However, the Floyd isn't one of them.

All components involved with mounting, intonating, and amplifying a string's vibrations have some effect. How much effect the various components have has never been reliably or objectively quantified. But, one thing anyone who knows anything about physics will tell you is that they're all "subtractive" influences. Nothing adds. That is, every interface takes something away. The nut, the bridge, the neck wood, the body wood... the list is long. Everything takes something away. How much and at what frequency is always the question.

So, the thing you want to do is use components that don't have much, if any effect. or, at least a pleasant one. In that light, a "neutral bridge" is a Good Thing.

 

[DangerousR6]

I'm not ridiculing what you think, I'm only saying what I think. I don't think the Floyd has any effect on tone. That is, it's neutral. Some others think it has a detrimental effect. Nobody thinks it has a positive effect, since that would be nearly impossible. So, in a way, I'm on your side. That's pretty rare in discussions with me regarding Floyds <grin>

It's not just Floyds, though. Those who think the Floyd has a detrimental effect are inclined to think any vibrato bridge is a Bad Thing. While I don't think that's entirely true, I do believe there are some vibrato bridges that belong securely at the bottom of the trash heap. However, the Floyd isn't one of them.

All components involved with mounting, intonating, and amplifying a string's vibrations have some effect. How much effect the various components have has never been reliably or objectively quantified. But, one thing anyone who knows anything about physics will tell you is that they're all "subtractive" influences. Nothing adds. That is, every interface takes something away. The nut, the bridge, the neck wood, the body wood... the list is long. Everything takes something away. How much and at what frequency is always the question.

So, the thing you want to do is use components that don't have much, if any effect. or, at least a pleasant one. In that light, a "neutral bridge" is a Good Thing.

We already know you don't like Floyds, so you therefore are unable to accumulate an unbiased opinion on them. The fact of the matter is all trems are equally unstable because of the fact they aren't solid mounted.  And they all do have an effect on tone in their own way, it all boils down to materials, albeit cheap or quality materials...

 

[line6man]

We already know you don't like Floyds, so you therefore are unable to accumulate an unbiased opinion on them.

That's fallacious reasoning. A person can well carry biases, yet formulate arguments in an unbiased manner.

However, Cagey has never failed to make his biases on everything crystal clear. :dontknow:

 

[DangerousR6]

We already know you don't like Floyds, so you therefore are unable to accumulate an unbiased opinion on them.

That's fallacious reasoning. A person can well carry biases, yet formulate arguments in an unbiased manner.

However, Cagey has never failed to make his biases on everything crystal clear. :dontknow:

I don't find it fallacious at all, a person that is bias towards a subject may formulate unbiased arguments, but will always inject their bias views. It never fails...Me, you, anyone...

 

[Disco Scottie]

you could use the fine tuner to fine tune.

Extremist!  :icon_jokercolor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7QSWdymd0  :blob7: :icon_biggrin:

(I don't know if Satch was playing a Floyd or one of the Ibanez variants of it, in 1992. I'm not too knowledgeable on his gear history.  :dontknow

Not sure about the exact timeframe... he used a Kramer Pacer on Surfing With The Alien:

 

[Bruno]

I'm not ridiculing what you think, I'm only saying what I think. I don't think the Floyd has any effect on tone. That is, it's neutral. Some others think it has a detrimental effect. Nobody thinks it has a positive effect, since that would be nearly impossible. [cut]

Walking through the streets of Damascus, I can only reiterate that my bad English has betrayed me once again...
I'm sorry

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