Bridge of Dooooooom....

[DangerousR6]

Oh... no. No country, thank you. You ever catch me playing country, you just go ahead and run my wrists over the table saw with the blade set high. Then, shoot me in the head with something very large caliber. Do it more than once, and maybe put a couple in the chest and lungs; you don't want any chances of me becoming a zombie country player, like Elvis or Garth.

Depends on how you define country. 

"Hank why do ya drank, hey why do yo roll smoke...why must you live out the songs that you wrote"...

 

[Cagey]

I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I hear it. Usually, there's a lot of whining and crying about crap nobody wants to hear or gives a damn about. Of course, you could say that about a lot of music. But, with country, it's not just the poor babies that are whining and crying, it's built right into to the instruments. I mean, have you ever heard a pedal steel? Whiniest crybaby instrument ever invented. You hear one of those things and you just want to get drunk, smack somebody and tell them to STFU. Kinda like bagpipes or banjos. Who invented those, the devil? Can't imagine why anybody would want to listen to them on purpose. Perhaps if you were relegated to the 7th ring of hell, then it would understandable. You're supposed to be horribly punished for eternity there. But in real life? WTF?

 

[DangerousR6]

I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I hear it. Usually, there's a lot of whining and crying about crap nobody wants to hear or gives a damn about. Of course, you could say that about a lot of music. But, with country, it's not just the poor babies that are whining and crying, it's built right into to the instruments. I mean, have you ever heard a pedal steel? Whiniest crybaby instrument ever invented. You hear one of those things and you just want to get drunk, smack somebody and tell them to STFU. Kinda like bagpipes or banjos. Who invented those, the devil? Can't imagine why anybody would want to listen to them on purpose. Perhaps if you were relegated to the 7th ring of hell, then it would understandable. You're supposed to be horribly punished for eternity there. But in real life? WTF?

Couldn't agree more, 'cept I like bagpipes...I've a bit of Scottish lineage...Banjo's in the right setting are ok...In moderation...

what do ya get when you play a country record backwards......?



You get your wife back, your dog comes back, and you get your job back...And you truck gets fixed.... :laughing11:

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[DangerousR6]

Joe
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[Alfang]

Cagey, I used to feel the same way, but over the last few years a few of them country boys have won me over...Brad Paisly, he's funny and can play guitar as good or better than most rockers, and theres a bunch of them that regularly go to Iraq for our troops, they almost all have a few patriotic or family values tunes. So to dismiss country for the sake of it is ignorant, and I'll make sure that table saw blade is installed backwards for ya, and the bullets will be small calibur, 22 probably....JK M8

 

[Cagey]

There's no question in my mind that the people who play country music are good-hearted, patriotic, and highly talented. I love 'em to death and in many cases am in awe of their skill. I just don't care for country music.

 

[swarfrat]

I do not now, nor ever have I cared for pedal steels and the old school whiney country stuff. But yeah, Brad is amazing.

 

[B3Guy]

"country" for years has not really been country, though. It's more either pop or rock with a twang. Nowadays what I would call country is called either "folk" or sometimes "bluegrass". That stuff I like, but modern country, well, let's just say it proves that a steaming pile of bovine excrement can also be whiny.  :icon_thumright:

 

[stubhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H35QpuAfIFw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI19M5cZ4rk&feature=related

This is a friend of mine, Dave Easley. He is one of the preeminent musicians to come out of New Orleans the past few decades. Because of his desire to avoid the YouTube use violations, he has only posted excerpts - I have a CD-R of both years with some other things, like one of the two best versions of "All Along the Watchtower" I've ever heard. He is a walking encyclopedia of music, he's dropped into those New York jazz clubs where you're expected to know 300 tunes and be able to play them in any key, any style - no problem. "Giant Steps" on a friggin' steel guitar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LQo0FVLWt8&feature=related

Every summer he takes a job in an Indian restaurant playing with an Indian tabla player... studied with Aasish Khan, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aashish_Khan

http://www.mikeperlowin.com/Track6.mp3
This is another friend, Mike Perlowin. He's one of three steel guitarists playing classical music on a regular basis, he just signed on with a SoCal chamber orchestra - Santa Clara, maybe? But he has recorded and released three albums of classical music, It's studio trickery, as he is happy to point out - recording each part of a 90 piece orchestra on steel, bass, electric mandolin, whatever's needed. You can hear some excerpts here:

http://www.mikeperlowin.com/music.html

The "Spanish Steel" CD has some ridiculous chops, studio trickery or no - you can't fudge over the hard parts playing classical, you have to figure out a way to get them.

It's hard to know where to start with such ignorance, other than to say a "pedal steel guitar" is no more country than a... piano, or a "fiddle" or a... telecaster. I have about thirty steel CDs, and three or four are country. I've been playing one for a decade, and I still don't play any country songs - why would I?  :toothy12:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbLqRh7_aiM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMA4Eb7Jas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se4Avh3OH6I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi6D9v1NaT4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwlUh9cQD5I&feature=related

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

Where the hell is max, he's doing something to do with engineering at university isn't he?

By that I mean, i've given up trying to sketchup my idea, too lazy, ha.

 

[Mor Paul]

I'll get looking for him.

I'm not sure what type of engineering, though. Might not be related at all to this.


Also, Brad Paisley rocks on guitar. Gets a nice sound, too.

 

[Alfang]

Hey, I thought we were engineering a new bridge here, WTF happened?

 

[B3Guy]

hijack. let's get back to the bridge, though. So, where we left off: top mount? Fine tuners? Locking Saddles? What am I missing?

 

[DangerousR6]

Hey, I thought we were engineering a new bridge here, WTF happened?

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

Man, I even just tried to sketch, by hand, my idea. It just can't be done. It's the idea in your head that you just can't express in any way, no matter how much energy you put into it. Short of actually making it on the fly, that is.

 

[Strat Avenger]

I really don't know how you could improve on a hardtail Fender American-Standard (or vintage saddle) style bridge.
It has great tone, and all the adjustability one could ever need.

I like my Floyds, but only for the feel and the fine-tuners. I'm not a big "whammy bar" user.

 

[DangerousR6]

I really don't know how you could improve on a hardtail Fender American-Standard (or vintage saddle) style bridge.
It has great tone, and all the adjustability one could ever need.

I like my Floyds, but only for the feel and the fine-tuners. I'm not a big "whammy bar" user.

There's always room for improvement, people are sheeped into thinking what they have couldn't be better, or have now way of knowing how to make it better. So they do nothing, and keep on believing it's the greatest... :icon_biggrin:

 

[Cagey]

I really don't know how you could improve on a hardtail Fender American-Standard (or vintage saddle) style bridge.
It has great tone, and all the adjustability one could ever need. 

Well, there's not much to 'em, so you're right. Whaddaya gonna do? But, you could change those cheap shit stamped sheet metal saddles to cast stainless parts. Maybe some with rollers, but I'm not sure how much good they'd do on a fixed bridge. If nothing else, cast saddles are easier to keep clean. Just make sure they're not made out of anything soft like zinc or aluminum.

 

[Alfang]

Iv'e been tring to figure out a way to move Dangers tailstop pieces for the trem effect, rather than tilting the whole setup. some kind of rack and pinion or low profile linkage of some sort. I think I'm on the right track, and only time and more beers will get me to that "ah ha" moment.

I love Dangers initial design, very low profile, clean looking etc....

 

[DangerousR6]

Iv'e been tring to figure out a way to move Dangers tailstop pieces for the trem effect, rather than tilting the whole setup. some kind of rack and pinion or low profile linkage of some sort. I think I'm on the right track, and only time and more beers will get me to that "ah ha" moment.

I love Dangers initial design, very low profile, clean looking etc....

I was thinking about what you said earlier about the strings coming off the rollers. And you forgot to take into account that the front end of the saddle block will be raised up for string height adjustment See attachment, also, if you bend any vibrato bridge down, the strings come off the saddles... :toothy12: