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"absolutely black strat" project

blackofe said:
Tipperman said:
Get a black pickguard from warmoth without the white line! More blackness is required!
i was thinking about it, but have decided to leave the pickguard as it is for now. maybe in some future..

by the way i got some complaints to warmoth.

2. the ebony fingerboard happened not that black. you can see that light line along all the fingerboard. i'd prefer it completely black. when i tried any lp or prs in GC with ebony necks, i didn't notice any non-black spots.

Same thing happened to me when I ordered my neck. Initially, I was NOT happy. I wanted jet-black. There was no "black, black" option at the time I placed
my order, I looked for it. I was going to dye mine black too - but then I really started to dig the streaks, and after a year - am really glad I didn't dye it.

I wouldn't have got the vintage construction, that rear truss-rod adjustment is a PITA - and lets face facts, there's nothing about your axe thats vintage (and IMO,
thats a good thing).

You're getting rid of that bright chrome input jack I hope?

:kewlpics:
 
ORCRiST, youre right. initially i was shocked slightly - not absolutely black! :o but then i rethought this. this stripe add "aliveness" to the guitar. it's not just a piece of dark black something. it's made with real wood - it's a by-human-using thing.

i have no idea yet, what to do with the jack. probably i will be able to find an appropriate black nut, but the jack itself.. :icon_scratch:

for now i'm worrying about the tremolo, pickups and switch screws. i'm thinking about a white head stock logo decal. later i'm gonna take care about the pickguard (black one-ply). and - the most scared thing - the art on the body, that exists for now only in my head.  :glasses9:
 
Bagman67 said:
Cagey said:
I like it. A lot.


What he said.

Ditto. I keep coming back to this thread. I'm a big strat guy, as I'm sure people have figured out by now, and this just looks badass as all get-out.  :icon_thumright:

I think the stripe, as I've probably stated multiple times, really accentuates things nicely. I also think keeping a little bit of chrome looks really cool. Hows she quack?
 
Too cool.

I don't know that I'd go any farther blacking it out. A little highlight here and there is a Good Thing. Gives it character and definition. I think you've found the perfect balance there.
 
thx guys! :headbang:

i've tried it already. it sounds sweet! probably later i'll be able to post some samples. about feeling: in comparison with the original maple neck, it sounds a little bit sharper. everything strat's is in - glass, bottlness, but just a little bit more expressive, harder and explicit.

about the neck - probably it's the most comfortable neck i've ever been trying. thin (as a vintage one), round (vintage radius), but C-shaped, and the ebony fingerboard make my fingers just fly along the neck. the guitar plays just by herself (my guitar is obvoiusly she ;)).

however i got a problem, too. the very first string buzzes. i'm gonna figure it out. and i didn't make fine tuning yet. so hopefully this is gonna be resolved.
 
blackofe said:
however i got a problem, too. the very first string buzzes. i'm gonna figure it out. and i didn't make fine tuning yet. so hopefully this is gonna be resolved.

If it's just the first string, it's unlikely the neck or frets are faulting. You can probably just adjust the saddle height for that string and clear it.
 
Worst case is likely to be the nut slot cut too deep, but even that's a pretty cheap'n'easy thing to fix.  But go with the saddle adjustment first.

 
Jet-Jaguar said:
blackofe said:
2. the ebony fingerboard happened not that black. you can see that light line along all the fingerboard. i'd prefer it completely black. when i tried any lp or prs in GC with ebony necks, i didn't notice any non-black spots.

I'm always surprised at how often this comes up.  Wood in nature is pretty variable. It's weight can vary by 50% (or more, I guess) and you get different colors all the time.

What's really funny is that there's probably someone out there who would pay extra for stripey ebony.

Lovers of stripey Ebony opt for Macassar, rather than Gaboon.It's worth paying extra if you like what you find in the gallery.
I thought Gaboon would be a bit boring on a guitar I just finished up, so I ordered a plainer piece of Macassar from the gallery, to keep it interesting with subtle figuring.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6060/6213347452_38cfe7986f_b.jpg
 
line6man said:
I thought Gaboon would be a bit boring on a guitar I just finished up, so I ordered a plainer piece of Macassar from the gallery, to keep it interesting with subtle figuring.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6060/6213347452_38cfe7986f_b.jpg


Nice one, Joseph.


It's not as apparent in this shot as it is in person due to the diffuse lighting, but mine is similarly contrast-y.


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It really is a judgment call, as the Macassar (Indonesian Ebony) can be quite attractive, but sometimes you don't want any interfering color textures so you go with the Gabon (African Ebony). Plus, in my experience, the Gabon Ebony is denser, so much so that it almost feels more like plastic than wood because the surface is so smooth and grainless. Not that the Macassar isn't dense - it most certainly is - but it's not the same.

Of course, that could just be my exposure, so I probably shouldn't generalize.

I know prior to getting the Indian Rosewood over Indian Rosewood neck I have, I'd have never expected any serious density out of that stuff. But, the fretboard on that neck is clearly not the same as the neck meat, even if it is the same species. The grain color/figuring is spectacular, and the density rivals Ebony. So, wonders never cease. Either that, or somebody in the shop made a mistake and put Brazilian Rosewood on this neck and didn't mark it right. I've had more than one person tell me that's what it is, but they're not experts and neither am I so it'll remain a happy mystery.
 
Bagman67 said:
Worst case is likely to be the nut slot cut too deep, but even that's a pretty cheap'n'easy thing to fix.  But go with the saddle adjustment first.
i started to think, that was the nut. i found out, that when i press the 1st string on any fret (even on the 1st one) - there's no buzzing - the string waves clearly. it buzzes only being open.

what wrong can be with the nut?
 
ORCRiST said:
:kewlpics:
i need your consultation, ORCRiST. i mean i would like to have one. i'd like to put some arts on my guitar's body. how did you do it for your guitar? it looks pretty stylish and firm. you gave your guitar to a specialist? what did you provide? pictures? design? ideas?
 
There's probably not a well-defined edge or transition from the nut to the string at the point where it heads out to the fretboard. You might want to read through this treatment of the subject and see if you want to mess with it yourself or take it someplace where they have professional guitar techs (not Guitar Center) to work on it.

It's not difficult to do yourself if you know what needs to be done, but a good set of nut files will run you $100 or so, and if you screw it up and need to replace the nut, you'll also need a spacing rule, a scribe, some shaping files, and a small vise, so add another $50 or so. It sounds like a lotta money, but really, you only need to make 4 to 6 nuts and you've broken even. Nuts wear out, so if you own more than one guitar (or plan to) it might not be a bad investment to make.
 
Cagey said:
It's not difficult to do yourself if you know what needs to be done
thanks, Cagey. i agree - we do it by ourselves, cos we enjoy the process. well, i need to get some more equipment ;).
 
blackofe said:
as i was advised, ordered a decal on Guitar and Headstock Decals.

btw, is MOHAWK Finishers Choice Clear Nitrocellulose Lacquer, Gloss good for laquering a headstock (after the decal sticked)?


That Mohawk lacquer will work fine.  First couple coats should be light, and then apply wet coats. 


You'll want to account for humidity and temperature - lacquer will blush (develop a cloudy appearance) if it's too humid and moisture gets trapped in the finish.  Best case scenario is low humidity, temperature in the 70's (Fahrenheit, obviously).  If it's substantially cooler than the high 60's, consider waiting for the weather to warm up, or at least letting the cans of lacquer stand in a warm water bath before you shoot.
 
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