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[OzziePete]

True football or false football?  :icon_biggrin: Ah sorry, Australian name for false football is rugby, correct?

Football (soccer as it is called by the heathen unwashed!)

I put a capital 'F' when referring to Football (soccer) to differentiate it between the generic term of football (which means a game involving teams and a ball).

Not quite correct. Our rugby is a easier to understand version of America's.
Soccer here is called soccer, not football and you will be banished for calling soccer football.
The the football where we're allowed to run around with an oval ball in our hands is called AFL..

Rugby League is getting there, with rules as difficult to understand as American Football (NFL). Every year the Rugby League changes rules after some controversy throughout the year that saw a smart coach rort some loophole!

Football is called 'soccer' here, because it's a derogatory term and the media has a bias that makes it compulsory to hire ex players from other codes, put them up as 'columnists' or 'sports commentators' even though they have never done any decent study into journalism, and then let them loose every time Football tries to make ground in its' own endeavours.

Wana: How many times have you seen a Football commentator or journo write about another code of football, and then take a look at the swipes that ex-AFL, NRL or RU players make EVERY MONTH at Football? If you want to be polite to those of us who do follow Football, please refer to our code as Football.
Calling it 'soccer' to our face is as impolite as referring to RU as 'Rugger' to RU fans or 'aerial ping pong' to AFL fans. Each code has it's place in our sports mad country, but some administrators of some codes of football have a fear about the impact that Football would/will make if it progresses (even though Football is played in Summer & other codes are played in winter.) Once the administrators and the ex player/journos decide to go against Football, the sentiment is picked up by the populace and every one folows the media hype of the day. But just as easy as it is to whip up dislike or bias against the code, it is just as easy for the media to be bought by exclusive rights issues and then 'voila!' suddenly a particular newspaper or media organisation is writing glowing pieces about 'Our Harry' (Harry Kewell), or reporting on John Aloisi's struggle to stay in the top team for Sydney FC (this HAS happened recently with the Daily Telegraph in NSW picking up large stories about the FIFA World Cup Draw and exclusive interviews with many FFA people and the national manager, Pim Verbeek). Be careful not to be a sheep and follow the hype, Wana. If you genuinely dislike Football, then fair enough, but my sneaking suspicion is that you've never been to an A-League game to see the best Australia can offer domestically, nor have you gone overseas to see the absolute mass coverage that the sport you dismiss as 'soccer' has and the overall majority of people who passionately follow it. Believe me when I say it is massive overseas.

 

[chrisg]

True football or false football?  :icon_biggrin: Ah sorry, Australian name for false football is rugby, correct?

Football (soccer as it is called by the heathen unwashed!)

I put a capital 'F' when referring to Football (soccer) to differentiate it between the generic term of football (which means a game involving teams and a ball).

Not quite correct. Our rugby is a easier to understand version of America's.
Soccer here is called soccer, not football and you will be banished for calling soccer football.
The the football where we're allowed to run around with an oval ball in our hands is called AFL..

Rugby League is getting there, with rules as difficult to understand as American Football (NFL). Every year the Rugby League changes rules after some controversy throughout the year that saw a smart coach rort some loophole!

Football is called 'soccer' here, because it's a derogatory term and the media has a bias that makes it compulsory to hire ex players from other codes, put them up as 'columnists' or 'sports commentators' even though they have never done any decent study into journalism, and then let them loose every time Football tries to make ground in its' own endeavours.

Wana: How many times have you seen a Football commentator or journo write about another code of football, and then take a look at the swipes that ex-AFL, NRL or RU players make EVERY MONTH at Football? If you want to be polite to those of us who do follow Football, please refer to our code as Football.
Calling it 'soccer' to our face is as impolite as referring to RU as 'Rugger' to RU fans or 'aerial ping pong' to AFL fans. Each code has it's place in our sports mad country, but some administrators of some codes of football have a fear about the impact that Football would/will make if it progresses (even though Football is played in Summer & other codes are played in winter.) Once the administrators and the ex player/journos decide to go against Football, the sentiment is picked up by the populace and every one folows the media hype of the day. But just as easy as it is to whip up dislike or bias against the code, it is just as easy for the media to be bought by exclusive rights issues and then 'voila!' suddenly a particular newspaper or media organisation is writing glowing pieces about 'Our Harry' (Harry Kewell), or reporting on John Aloisi's struggle to stay in the top team for Sydney FC (this HAS happened recently with the Daily Telegraph in NSW picking up large stories about the FIFA World Cup Draw and exclusive interviews with many FFA people and the national manager, Pim Verbeek). Be careful not to be a sheep and follow the hype, Wana. If you genuinely dislike Football, then fair enough, but my sneaking suspicion is that you've never been to an A-League game to see the best Australia can offer domestically, nor have you gone overseas to see the absolute mass coverage that the sport you dismiss as 'soccer' has and the overall majority of people who passionately follow it. Believe me when I say it is massive overseas.

Pete

For years I've called Rugby (the game they play in heaven) 'football' and soccer has always been soccer.  Not sure why I'd change now!!

 

[JaySwear]

this is an easy discussion here, because there is only one football for me!

i've tried watching rugby on TV, but it's so rare that there's actually a game shown on TV here that it's impossible for me to try to figure out any rules or how it's played. looks very confusing. i could discuss american football all day though  :icon_biggrin:  and i've never been much of a soccer fan. although if i were to become a soccer fan i guess DC is the place to do it, this town has a pretty big soccer following.

 

[Nando Vallart]

Pete

For years I've called Rugby (the game they play in heaven) 'football' and soccer has always been soccer.  Not sure why I'd change now!!

Weird about calling it 'football' but in the beggining I know it was "Rugby Football"...
But sounds like a man who knows what he says: Rugby for the win! Scrum or die!!!!! :laughing7:

 

[OzziePete]

For years I've called Rugby (the game they play in heaven) 'football' and soccer has always been soccer.  Not sure why I'd change now!!

Hi Chris

You are correct, Rugby is 'football' in the generic sense. So is AFL, Rugby League, Gaelic Football (Ireland), American Football & Association Football (known as soccer to some). Rugby is a codified, formalised format of football that is a descendant of the form of 'football' played by the Rugby College..


Whether Rugby is a game played in heaven, I have no idea. If I die, I'll let you know what I see, OK? :icon_scratch: :icon_biggrin:

(BTW, that marketing quote is easily retorted by the response that only the dead would be entertained by that game! NOT my opinion I hasten to add.)

 

[chrisg]

For years I've called Rugby (the game they play in heaven) 'football' and soccer has always been soccer.  Not sure why I'd change now!!

Hi Chris

You are correct, Rugby is 'football' in the generic sense. So is AFL, Rugby League, Gaelic Football (Ireland), American Football & Association Football (known as soccer to some). Rugby is a codified, formalised format of football that is a descendant of the form of 'football' played by the Rugby College..


Whether Rugby is a game played in heaven, I have no idea. If I die, I'll let you know what I see, OK? :icon_scratch: :icon_biggrin:

(BTW, that marketing quote is easily retorted by the response that only the dead would be entertained by that game! NOT my opinion I hasten to add.)

:icon_biggrin:

 

[Steiger]

1889, socca, later socker (1891), soccer (1895), originally university slang (with jocular formation -er; see -er (3)), from a shortened form of Assoc., abbreviation of association in Football Association (as opposed to Rugby football); cf. rugger, but they hardly could have taken the first three letters of Assoc.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=soccer

If that's true, that's news to me, I've always wondered where the name 'soccer' came from.

Even without knowing the above calling it Soccer doesn't seem that offensive to me. I mean aerial ping pong and gay fl and some of the other names for other sports are said in a tone to put said sport down.

Honestly, I've never called soccer "soccer" to offend a fan of that sport.

 

[Edin]

An other Edin  :hello2:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lYyKlg02Tk[/youtube]

 

[The Norwegian Guy]

merry christmas!

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

What the shiz?  :icon_scratch: :laughing7:

Nice uniform.

 

[The Norwegian Guy]

hahaha
It's our parade uniform

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

You look like you got a feather duster stuck to ya hat!

 

[Mor Paul]

Honestly, I've never called soccer "soccer" to offend a fan of that sport.

That made me think of the Holy Grail scene where the Knights who say Ni can't say it, but that one..
"Oh, no! I said it!""I said it again!"

 

[OzziePete]

hahaha
It's our parade uniform

Looks like you are in the Royal Guards or something ceremonial.  :icon_thumright:

 

[The Norwegian Guy]

I'm in the "His Majesty the Kings Guard"

 

[OzziePete]

1889, socca, later socker (1891), soccer (1895), originally university slang (with jocular formation -er; see -er (3)), from a shortened form of Assoc., abbreviation of association in Football Association (as opposed to Rugby football); cf. rugger, but they hardly could have taken the first three letters of Assoc.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=soccer

If that's true, that's news to me, I've always wondered where the name 'soccer' came from.

Even without knowing the above calling it Soccer doesn't seem that offensive to me. I mean aerial ping pong and gay fl and some of the other names for other sports are said in a tone to put said sport down.

Honestly, I've never called soccer "soccer" to offend a fan of that sport.

It's the manner in which the word is put that implies a put down. Often the word 'soccer' will be used when there is no need to differentiate between different codes and the person who is spoken to is known to be a Football fan and prefers not to use the term 'soccer'.

Also, both AFL & Rugby League in Australia have often used the term 'footy' which is then used to posses the right to call their code of football, Footbal and Association Football as 'Soccer'.

To a Rugby fan - Rugby Football is football, to an AFL fan  - Australian Rules Football is football, to an Association Football fan - Association Football is football.

That's where the problem lies with all this, people often mix up the generic term as it being the definitive for their code of football, and then argue a right to being the one and only Football. IF Association Football became known as English Football instead of Association Football there'd be another nickname for it and the correct term would be something like 'English Football". The term Association Football is too long for many to use a lot in general conversation and in the media.

For so long most countries refer to 'soccer' as Football, mainly due to the absence of another larger national football code. That's the difference with Australia, USA and NZ (and a few other countries) where other codes of football are bigger in media coverage and competitions, and where Association Football (or abbreviated to Football) has been in the minority in national competition leagues or actual registered players.

 

[OzziePete]

I'm in the "His Majesty the Kings Guard"

Then I guess you know how to salute!

I was in the Australian Protective Service for a while in Australia, we were the civil Guards at our Governor-General's and Prime Minister's residences, doing similar work to you. We all learnt very quickly how to throw a proper salute, instead of something that looked like a homie hi 5!

We looked more like Police than Royal Guards though, and not in the military.

 

[The Norwegian Guy]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuKH7UPJSp0[/youtube]

Yes, we do know how to salute properly!

 

[Death by Uberschall]

merry christmas!

That's one hell of a comb-over!!!!!  :laughing7:

 

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