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If Your Pedals Are Too Close Together...

Cagey said:
pabloman said:
Are you kidding? Slash's tone is an LP into a Marshall. How can you not like that?

Yeah, no kidding. A Les Paul into a Marshall can make '60s bubble gum rock sound like a blatant invitation to consequence-free sex. It's just irresistable. Of course, you can do that with a Strat into a Marshall as well. I guess what I'm saying is everybody should own a tube-based Marshall stack at least once in their lives. It ruins you forever after, but it's good for the economy because you buy amps one after another trying to get that sound/sensation back.

No thanks on the Marshall.  I've never met a Marshall I've liked.  They're undoubtedly great products, because if they weren't, there wouldn't be so many people who use them, but I've just never gotten a tone out of one I've liked.
 
Daze of October said:
I'm admittedly a total gear snob, and I just can't ever see myself owning an Agile.  I've never played one so I can't say they're great or they suck, but given their super-low prices and the way their dealer network is laid out, I'd be extremely apprehensive about buying.  I continuously read peoples' good reviews about them,  so obviously one of these days I'd like to play one.

You're not alone. A lotta guys simply refuse to believe they could be as good as advertised, even in the absence of evidence one way or the other.

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Nobody can beat a Gibson! No way, no how!

But, I live to tell. And I didn't get an anomaly - I've known others who've had them as well. They're just amazing pieces of work. Of course, they come in varying degrees of goodness, so you can't make a sweeping generalization of the things. But, anything in the 3000 series and up will definitely make a Gibson look like a poor cousin. And it's not just skin-deep. They actually use solid figured maple tops rather than laminates, solid mahogany bodies, nice necks with ebony 'boards (and they dress their frets), 18:1 Grover machine heads, alnico pickups, on and on. They're really, truly nice. It's an amazing piece of work, forget about the price. Compared to a $3,500 Gibson, they should should cost $5,000.
 
Daze of October said:
No thanks on the Marshall.  I've never met a Marshall I've liked.  They're undoubtedly great products, because if they weren't, there wouldn't be so many people who use them, but I've just never gotten a tone out of one I've liked.

I understand. It depends on what you play. They're sort of a one-trick pony. But, it's a damn good trick if it fits what you're doing.
 
Cagey said:
Daze of October said:
No thanks on the Marshall.  I've never met a Marshall I've liked.  They're undoubtedly great products, because if they weren't, there wouldn't be so many people who use them, but I've just never gotten a tone out of one I've liked.

I understand. It depends on what you play. They're sort of a one-trick pony. But, it's a damn good trick if it fits what you're doing.

Very true.  Some people have gotten some awesome tones out of Marshalls, and even some bands for that matter, but I think it takes a lot of different steps to get there.  Personally, I prefer a head I can plug in and dial in a tone.  With a Marshall, I think they're just a starting point.
 
No, they're more than a starting point. For a great many, they're an endpoint. There's really nothing that sounds like one, outside of maybe an AxeFX. Some things come close, but that's usually as good as it gets.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that sound is something to strive for or that the company is the second coming - just that it has a character all its own.
 
Cagey said:
No, they're more than a starting point. For a great many, they're an endpoint. There's really nothing that sounds like one, outside of maybe an AxeFX. Some things come close, but that's usually as good as it gets.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that sound is something to strive for or that the company is the second coming - just that it has a character all its own.

That could be said about any company, really, but I don't think it's common to just find a head and say, "Hey, that's the exact tone I'm looking for!"  Usually there are other peripherals involved; pedals, effects boards, etc., hence my comment about it being a "starting point."

I have a Peavey 3120 and I like the tone I'm getting out of it, but it's quickly becoming something I'm messing with on a deeper level.  Since it had no "Reverb" setting, I'd already gone out and bought a Reverb pedal (Boss RV-5), and now it's turning into the "I want a Chorus pedal, too!"
 
Yeah, I suppose that's true.

One of my brothers just bought a Mesa Mark V and he's disappointed. Supposed to do anything, but it doesn't. Not that it's a bad amp, but it's not the Holy Grail. He actually prefers his Rivera Fandango. So, what does that say?
 
Cagey said:
Yeah, I suppose that's true.

One of my brothers just bought a Mesa Mark V and he's disappointed. Supposed to do anything, but it doesn't. Not that it's a bad amp, but it's not the Holy Grail. He actually prefers his Rivera Fandango. So, what does that say?

I played with a Peavey 6505 a while back and IMO, it was the Holy Grail of Metal.  The sounds were incredible; everything from the volume to the overtones, etc.  It was nothing short of awesome, EXCEPT it was a one-trick pony; 2 channels, 1 EQ.  That didn't work for me.  Now, if I were in Slayer, maybe so, but I wanted something I could use for everything, not something which had no other focal point than Metal.

I eventually decided against the 6505 and had the opportunity to sit down with a 6505+ for about 2 hours.  I could not find a single tone out of that head that I liked.  One would think that the 6505+ would be that much better than the standard 6505, especially with one extra tube, but that was NOT the case.  Sure, the 6505+ had an EQ for both channels and an additional tube, but the tone was not there.  It sounded dry and I couldn't get any sort of overtones out of it whatsoever.  It's a good thing I had an opportunity to try one because I almost just bought the thing, figuring "It's a better 6505."

That's when I wound up with my Randall RT100H, which I loved.  Unfortunately, I had very bad experiences with this head.  My first one arrived and neither the Lead or Rhythm channels worked.  My replacement lasted me a total of 2 weeks; out with the garbage, in with the good stuff.

I declined another replacement RT100H and upgraded to a Peavey 3120.  I based the decision on reviews I'd read, a few YouTube demos, and a few suggestions from another forum.  It had all the features I wanted except for it was lacking a "Reverb" adjustment.  I just figured I could grab a pedal and be done with it, which I've since done.  The price was right and I jumped for it.  I think I wound up paying around $750-$800, which was an excellent price. 

Well, this Peavey 3120 has treated me well thus far, and being fairly green to all this fancy gear, I've been doing a lot of playing with knobs since I got the thing, mainly because while I'm standing off to the side the settings I choose sound great, but when I move into the "path of sound," things aren't so great.  Live and learn, right?  So, that's where I'm at.

I've enjoyed my reliable gear and I enjoy messing with the settings.  I've dialed in a sound which I like and dialed in the right amount of Reverb, and all is well.  I'm real happy with the sound I've reached.

That being said, I also played some heads that were far beyond my price range.  Those included the Mesa Trans-Atlantic, Dual Rectifier, and Triple Rectifier.  Sure, they were all great products and clearly very well built, but as with the 6505+, I just couldn't quite get that sound I wanted to hear.

If I ever win the lottery, I think I'm going to buy an Engl Powerball II.  Yeah, it's a one trick pony, but its tricks are impressive.  :headbang1:

Considering I only paid 
 
That's why I got in line to get an AxeFX II. It has a ton of amps in it, numerous effects, and a jillion ways to mess with it all. If I can't find something that likes me in that pile, I'm just gonna sell everything and take up knitting. May even go play Bingo on Friday nights. Meet some hot-to-trot geriatric pregnancy-immune Catholic chick who still has her high school uniform... what would be wrong with that?
 
Cagey said:
That's why I got in line to get an AxeFX II. It has a ton of amps in it, numerous effects, and a jillion ways to mess with it all. If I can't find something that likes me in that pile, I'm just gonna sell everything and take up knitting. May even go play Bingo on Friday nights. Meet some hot-to-trot geriatric pregnancy-immune Catholic chick who still has her high school uniform... what would be wrong with that?
This, but replace AxeFX with AmpliTube 3.
 
Cagey said:
That's why I got in line to get an AxeFX II. It has a ton of amps in it, numerous effects, and a jillion ways to mess with it all. If I can't find something that likes me in that pile, I'm just gonna sell everything and take up knitting. May even go play Bingo on Friday nights. Meet some hot-to-trot geriatric pregnancy-immune Catholic chick who still has her high school uniform... what would be wrong with that?

Looks like a pretty cool device.  I got into messing with some modeling stuff like the Line 6 UX2 but found that it was really tough to find a tone that sounded natural.  While I still enjoy my UX2, I think when it comes to recording I'd have to stick with a mostly natural sound.

Are these Axe FX things much different from something like a UX2?
 
What he said ^

The only problem is getting one. I've been on the waiting list for about 4 months now, and it's not unusual to go 6-7 months.
 
Daze of October said:
Bagman67 said:
The Axe FX is to the UX2 as a Lamborghini is to a soapbox racer.

Price is probably the same?  Lamborghini to soapbox racer?  :help:

Yep.  It's a serious tool with a serious price.  Cheaper than a couple of amps though.
 
why does the subject on this keep on changing???

oh speaking of effects/recording interfaces..

I am very curious about these!!!

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http://www.fender.com/products/mustang/models.php?prodNo=2301060
 
Mayfly by VOX said:
From the fractal website:  $2600.00.  A midi foot controller is more.

Actually, they've raised the price. Ask me how I know. Never mind, I'll tell you.

I got my notice today! I was so excited when I saw that, I think I peed a little.

They're up to $2,999. Fortunately, they also increased the discount for those of us who've been waiting patiently in line for 100 years now to $800, so I'm still only gonna be down $2,199.

Now I gotta pace the floor like a caged lion for a few days...
 
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