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Hunting! Mr Doug can help, houpefully!

Jusatele said:
I have a friend who hunts Deer and Pig with a bow and arrow, His dream is to go out and do it with a spear. Now somehow I do not see how that is fun, but he says that he wants to see how the early man had to do it.
I guess I am Lazy, I prefer a scoped rifle
Most people are lazy now a days. the guys I know that go "hunting", put out feeders all year to get the deer used to feeding in one spot. then about a week before season opens they drag out their deer blinds to their feeders and call this hunting....Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaleeeeeeeeeeeeeese....Get out there and chase 'em down, then tell me you went hunting.... :doh:
 
I hear you, Back In Louisiana I would spend a few weeks before deer season tramping around the woods and making metal notes about streams crossing, drinking holes, look for feeding areas with a lot of spore around, then when season opened I would be in the woods and setting up a tree stand a few hours before sunup. I would be commited to the area for the day.
I see these so called hunting safari's and laugh, they are shooting bred up deer trained to feed at spot X. Now I would fill out my tags, but they were all wild deer.
 
Cagey said:
Guns are big here in the States, as is hunting. There are hunt clubs, gun clubs, practice ranges, private property, all sorts of ways you can get your jollies with guns. It's the rare household that doesn't have at least one, if not several guns. Last time I looked, something like 60 million households owned over 200 million guns.

There are "camps" here where you can hunt or practice or just discuss guns, and some where they have a dedicated area populated with a particular species or group of species that are ok to hunt. They'll almost guarantee you'll bag something, one way or another. Other places, you might not shoot anything live, you just run trap and skeet, or "sporting clays". They're mostly for guys like me who aren't interested in wild game, but would like to be proficient with a firearm, so we play games with them.

Thing is, it's kinda tough to "rent" or "borrow" guns, unless you personally know somebody who'll do it for you. Then, it's pretty rare that you can just go hunt something for the thrill of it. You have to take what you get and deal with it. Either give it away, eat it, whatever. Just shooting animals for sport is frowned upon, even if you bury it. Then, because it's wild, not too many people want what you kill even for free. Plus, there are licenses - the state isn't going to let you do anything for fun/profit/survival without taxing it or putting fees on it somehow. The bad part there is it's not jsut a matter of paying a fee - they only issue a certain amount of licenses for a certain number of kills, because there's population management going on. So, you apply for a license, and you may or may not get one. It's a lottery. 100,000 people apply, and depend on the estimates of the herd size for the year they'll issue X number of permits.

Finally, there aren't too many "big" animals you're allowed to hunt. Just off the top of my head, there are deer, bears, elk, moose... everything else is pretty much birds and small game. There aren't a huge number of bear, elk or moose to be found, so there are only very limited licenses issued for those. Deer are common as rats in some states, like here in Michigan. If they didn't let them be hunted, many would simply starve to death because there are more of them than there is food for them to eat. The annual thinning here in Michigan puts about 30,000 deer kills on the wolves, about 10,000 on vehicular accidents, and between 30,000 - 50,000 to hunters. Still leaves a population of around a million all the time. That's just Michigan. Other northern states have their own stats.

Smaller game aren't as tough as you might imagine, given the right gun and ammo load. Duck, goose, pheasant and rabbit hunting are popular here, and they're all good eating. Gotta learn to use a shotgun, but it's certainly not insurmountable. A few days shooting trap and skeet, and you'd be in reasonable shape for birds. Just gotta learn how to lead them.

I don't know if any of that is useful, but seriously, Google is your friend. Hunting is a big sport here, and there's tons of info on it. You're not going to have to dig to find it.

I know well enough about the camps in Michigan--I live in Marquette County, and pretty much most of the land around any smaller lake in this area is camp land. In fact, my wife and I looked at an older camp that someone put a bigger house on in the late 30s as a possibility for a permanent home, but the place required more work than we could feasibly do in comparison to the asking price. Camps up here are used for a lot more than just shooting guns off. Many of them have been in families for nearly a century, and are more than anything, places to simply get away from any sort of civilization, sweat yourself silly in a sauna, chop wood, carry water, cook over a wood fire, crap in an outhouse and do things that you've only seen done on "The Red Green Show" that you know the wife and city law enforcement would frown upon.

I've been handling guns since my family moved to an old farm when I was 9. My grandpa gave my brother and me an old breech load single-shot 20-gauge. We used that on everything from raccoons to barn pigeons to gophers. We weren't hell-bent on murdering animals--far from it. The coons in our area were not afraid of being hit with a broom when they come onto the porch to eat the cat's food, so we kept the population in as much check as we could. In Wisconsin, most of what we were shooting didn't require a license, but had a season attached to it. Later on, we both acquired our own firearms and joined the local conservation club, which meant we didn't have to pay fees at the clay range or at the target range. It was cheap, clean fun for a couple of teenagers to have, plus it was one of the few things that I was better at than my brother was.

Nando, personally, in your case, I think the best solution for you to find if you wanted to get into firearms would be to see if you could acquire a good shotgun. Shotgun ammunition is cheaper to buy in bulk, easier to find, and skeet and clay shooting is actually an Olympic sport. Firearm wise, I'd recommend getting a Remington 870. Very well built, cheap to buy, cheap to maintain, versatile (especially if you can get a barrel that allows for choke tube change outs), and very much legal in a lot of places in the world, mainly due to their status as a true hunting firearm rather than an assault weapon. Plus, if you do feel the urge to fire out single projectiles, you can change out the shot barrel for what we call a "buck barrel" where I come from. Instead of firing a spray of projectiles, this type of barrel works like a rifle--single projectile that spirals. The range is much shorter than a true rifle, which is safer in many, many respects.

One word of warning though--you mentioned in the past some shoulder work that was still fighting you. Shotguns do kick some and may aggravate the work you had done.
 
Jusatele said:
I have a friend who hunts Deer and Pig with a bow and arrow, His dream is to go out and do it with a spear. Now somehow I do not see how that is fun, but he says that he wants to see how the early man had to do it.
I guess I am Lazy, I prefer a scoped rifle

Nope, you ain't lazy, you're smart!
 
Thanks Grafitti! Here you can't buy even a .38 revolver easy, I still got to get the information of how to do the thinks...

Yes my shoulder is f**cked up, but I hope I can get it fixed someday :laughing7:
 
NonsenseTele said:
And there is a huge burocracy (we brazilians call it burro-cracy as burro is our word for donkey) and you can't have a rifle at home for example.

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look
upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

- Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi (Ghandi)
 
NonsenseTele said:
Hey guys!! I've always wanted to have guns and hunt, but nowaways I'm getting really interested in doing it.

Problems:
Here in Brazil you are not allowed to hunt anything, basically.
And there is a huge burocracy (we brazilians call it burro-cracy as burro is our word for donkey) and you can't have a rifle at home for example. IF you are afilliated to a Shooting Club, etc you can get after a lot of sweat the permision to own a gun, but you can CARRY it, so it must remain in the shooting club you're affiliated  :doh:  :sad:

Well, after this lets talk about my plans...

I'm thinking in try to go hunt something in a year or two in USA or Canada (don't know where is allowed)... Probably would need to be a big thing, as I've never shoot anything and I doubt I'd ever hit a bird or something small.
I would like to know if somebody know about a "Hunting Camp" or something like this, where people that don't know to shoot/hunt have classes of shooting and go hunt with a experienced guy helping you... I didn't have time to search for it on Google, hope I can do it soon... But if somebody knows something I'd like help :)

Cheers!

Well, not only do I like to build guitars, but I make custom guns, too.

My pride and joy:
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I live in Minnesota, so needless to say hunting is rather popular in these parts... although I haven't hunted (animals)
in years.

:rock-on:

ORC
 
Cagey said:
Nice piece. Pretty ambitious clip on there.

H&K G36 200-rd drum, converted for the M4.  :icon_thumright:

ORC

Actually, I would have thought peeps noticing the supressor before the drum... heh
 
Ra, you kidding me Orc? I'm thinking in have a custom rifle.... Of course I ain't have the money to get one, I saw the cheapest ones around US$5000...

Particullary I'd want something not as usual on the wood, like this:

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Desert Iron Wood... it's on Gilmerwood site...

I've a big problem of wanting everything customized to myself :tard:
 
Forget about custom rifles and the like for now, Fernando....Get the shoulder fixed first, get medical advise if you should attempt shooting a recoiling firearm with it, and then look at small calibre, non-recoiling rifles to learn your technique before standing behind a thumper!  :icon_thumright:

Walk before you run, mate.
 
I'm only thinking, if you ain't got the money it ain't gonna happen... And even if I did, I need to buy some things to my home before get nice things ¬¬
Dad, can I be a kid again? :sad:
 
ORCRiST said:
Actually, I would have thought peeps noticing the supressor before the drum... heh

First thing I noticed was the ASA on the bottom, and the Cyclone Feedneck.  Then that telltale Tippmann A5 Grip. :P

Nice box mag. is it functional or just for looks?
 
Volitions Advocate said:
ORCRiST said:
Actually, I would have thought peeps noticing the supressor before the drum... heh

First thing I noticed was the ASA on the bottom, and the Cyclone Feedneck.  Then that telltale Tippmann A5 Grip. :P

Nice box mag. is it functional or just for looks?

LOL, just for looks.  :icon_biggrin:
 
I went to Cabelas today to use up a gift certificate we had been given.  If you're not familiar, Cabelas operates a chain of huge outdoors superstores dedicated to hunting and fishing.  No kidding, the building had to cover an area the size of a football field.  Not only was there every conceivable article of clothing and piece of equipment one could want that is related to hunting or fishing, but it is a veritable museum filled with stuffed trophy animals.  Hundreds of deer on display, bears, buffalo.  You name it. 

I don't hunt, and it is a little sad to see all the dead animals, but as long as they were used responsibly for food I can't condemn it.

They also have a huge indoor pool filled with the biggest trout I have ever seen in person, and a section of fish tanks filled with native fish that would rival any public aquarium.

If this kind of thing bothers you I advise you to stay out of the store, as it will just depress you.  But if you are an outdoorsman it is really an incredible destination.
 
One thing that I really am jealous of USA is space! :laughing7: Specially here in São Paulo, things are very expensive and hard to have big houses, big stores, big anything...

Other is that: almost everything you can believe there are good stores with loads of things, here if you're looking into something good, you're always have to run more than your feet can... We have loads of chinese crap, but few good stores in anything you can think...
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, Cabelas is filled with Chinese crap too.  We looked long and hard but the vast majority of what they sell was stamped made in China.  My family is very serious about buying American or Canadian to help the balance of trade, but it is difficult to do at any large big box store.

But I know what you mean.  In the US we do have access to pretty much any consumer product you could want.

On the other hand, I am a lifelong tropical fish hobbyist.  I once ran a company that distributed fish to pet stores throughout a third of America.  Sao Palo is pretty close to the Amazon jungles where the world's best freshwater tropical fish are found.  Its always been my dream to take a boat up the Rio Negro or Amazon and collect tropical fish in their native habitat.  We don't have anything like that here in America.
 
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