Hunting! Mr Doug can help, houpefully!

[Nando Vallart]

Hey guys!! I've always wanted to have guns and hunt, but nowaways I'm getting really interested in doing it.

Problems:
Here in Brazil you are not allowed to hunt anything, basically.
And there is a huge burocracy (we brazilians call it burro-cracy as burro is our word for donkey) and you can't have a rifle at home for example. IF you are afilliated to a Shooting Club, etc you can get after a lot of sweat the permision to own a gun, but you can CARRY it, so it must remain in the shooting club you're affiliated  :doh:  :sad:

Well, after this lets talk about my plans...

I'm thinking in try to go hunt something in a year or two in USA or Canada (don't know where is allowed)... Probably would need to be a big thing, as I've never shoot anything and I doubt I'd ever hit a bird or something small.
I would like to know if somebody know about a "Hunting Camp" or something like this, where people that don't know to shoot/hunt have classes of shooting and go hunt with a experienced guy helping you... I didn't have time to search for it on Google, hope I can do it soon... But if somebody knows something I'd like help

Cheers!

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I think guns are good.

 

[nexrex]

We have kind of the same rules in Australia. I was taught how to shoot in what we call here "Army Reserves". I know its not the answer you are looking for, but they do provide the guns and training for you. Does Brazil have something similar?

 

[Nando Vallart]

No, even our army is crap... even the guys that were supposed of be specialist with rifle shoot only 15 or 20 times ON ONE YEAR... :doh:

 

[Cagey]

Guns are big here in the States, as is hunting. There are hunt clubs, gun clubs, practice ranges, private property, all sorts of ways you can get your jollies with guns. It's the rare household that doesn't have at least one, if not several guns. Last time I looked, something like 60 million households owned over 200 million guns.

There are "camps" here where you can hunt or practice or just discuss guns, and some where they have a dedicated area populated with a particular species or group of species that are ok to hunt. They'll almost guarantee you'll bag something, one way or another. Other places, you might not shoot anything live, you just run trap and skeet, or "sporting clays". They're mostly for guys like me who aren't interested in wild game, but would like to be proficient with a firearm, so we play games with them.

Thing is, it's kinda tough to "rent" or "borrow" guns, unless you personally know somebody who'll do it for you. Then, it's pretty rare that you can just go hunt something for the thrill of it. You have to take what you get and deal with it. Either give it away, eat it, whatever. Just shooting animals for sport is frowned upon, even if you bury it. Then, because it's wild, not too many people want what you kill even for free. Plus, there are licenses - the state isn't going to let you do anything for fun/profit/survival without taxing it or putting fees on it somehow. The bad part there is it's not jsut a matter of paying a fee - they only issue a certain amount of licenses for a certain number of kills, because there's population management going on. So, you apply for a license, and you may or may not get one. It's a lottery. 100,000 people apply, and depend on the estimates of the herd size for the year they'll issue X number of permits.

Finally, there aren't too many "big" animals you're allowed to hunt. Just off the top of my head, there are deer, bears, elk, moose... everything else is pretty much birds and small game. There aren't a huge number of bear, elk or moose to be found, so there are only very limited licenses issued for those. Deer are common as rats in some states, like here in Michigan. If they didn't let them be hunted, many would simply starve to death because there are more of them than there is food for them to eat. The annual thinning here in Michigan puts about 30,000 deer kills on the wolves, about 10,000 on vehicular accidents, and between 30,000 - 50,000 to hunters. Still leaves a population of around a million all the time. That's just Michigan. Other northern states have their own stats.

Smaller game aren't as tough as you might imagine, given the right gun and ammo load. Duck, goose, pheasant and rabbit hunting are popular here, and they're all good eating. Gotta learn to use a shotgun, but it's certainly not insurmountable. A few days shooting trap and skeet, and you'd be in reasonable shape for birds. Just gotta learn how to lead them.

I don't know if any of that is useful, but seriously, Google is your friend. Hunting is a big sport here, and there's tons of info on it. You're not going to have to dig to find it.

 

[Nando Vallart]

Thanks a lot Cagey! Helps yes!

I knew there were a tax about what you kill, here you can do fishing in Pantanal in a part of the year and you gotta pay the Kg (pounds) of what you get, but I may think because I wanted to get a bear (and was thinking in carry it with me, eat, get the head to put on my wall, etc) but it may cost a trillion dollars tax as it's heavy :laughing7:  Also, it's the kind of animal you can't carry with your hands, just saw a brown bear can weight untill 1700 pounds (750kg)

 

[Cletus]

Guns are big here in the States, as is hunting. There are hunt clubs, gun clubs, practice ranges, private property, all sorts of ways you can get your jollies with guns. It's the rare household that doesn't have at least one, if not several guns. Last time I looked, something like 60 million households owned over 200 million guns.

There are "camps" here where you can hunt or practice or just discuss guns, and some where they have a dedicated area populated with a particular species or group of species that are ok to hunt. They'll almost guarantee you'll bag something, one way or another. Other places, you might not shoot anything live, you just run trap and skeet, or "sporting clays". They're mostly for guys like me who aren't interested in wild game, but would like to be proficient with a firearm, so we play games with them.

Thing is, it's kinda tough to "rent" or "borrow" guns, unless you personally know somebody who'll do it for you. Then, it's pretty rare that you can just go hunt something for the thrill of it. You have to take what you get and deal with it. Either give it away, eat it, whatever. Just shooting animals for sport is frowned upon, even if you bury it. Then, because it's wild, not too many people want what you kill even for free. Plus, there are licenses - the state isn't going to let you do anything for fun/profit/survival without taxing it or putting fees on it somehow. The bad part there is it's not jsut a matter of paying a fee - they only issue a certain amount of licenses for a certain number of kills, because there's population management going on. So, you apply for a license, and you may or may not get one. It's a lottery. 100,000 people apply, and depend on the estimates of the herd size for the year they'll issue X number of permits.

Finally, there aren't too many "big" animals you're allowed to hunt. Just off the top of my head, there are deer, bears, elk, moose... everything else is pretty much birds and small game. There aren't a huge number of bear, elk or moose to be found, so there are only very limited licenses issued for those. Deer are common as rats in some states, like here in Michigan. If they didn't let them be hunted, many would simply starve to death because there are more of them than there is food for them to eat. The annual thinning here in Michigan puts about 30,000 deer kills on the wolves, about 10,000 on vehicular accidents, and between 30,000 - 50,000 to hunters. Still leaves a population of around a million all the time. That's just Michigan. Other northern states have their own stats.

Smaller game aren't as tough as you might imagine, given the right gun and ammo load. Duck, goose, pheasant and rabbit hunting are popular here, and they're all good eating. Gotta learn to use a shotgun, but it's certainly not insurmountable. A few days shooting trap and skeet, and you'd be in reasonable shape for birds. Just gotta learn how to lead them.

I don't know if any of that is useful, but seriously, Google is your friend. Hunting is a big sport here, and there's tons of info on it. You're not going to have to dig to find it.

Why would you feel the need to kill animals? *insert something about tiny penises*  :sad1:

 

[Cagey]

Bears can be awfully big, number one, and number two, they're not easy to kill. Assuming you can deal with the size, you've got the appropriate weaponry and you're confident about your ability to kill one, getting a license to take one out is not easy. There aren't that many awarded. On the plus side, the competition for licenses isn't heavy because few guys dare go bear hunting. It's a damn good way to get yourself killed. Even a fatal shot won't always drop the beast, and it can do a helluva lotta damage while it's dying. For as big as they are, they can move surprisingly fast, and they're incredibly strong.

 

[DangerousR6]

Guns are big here in the States, as is hunting. There are hunt clubs, gun clubs, practice ranges, private property, all sorts of ways you can get your jollies with guns. It's the rare household that doesn't have at least one, if not several guns. Last time I looked, something like 60 million households owned over 200 million guns.

There are "camps" here where you can hunt or practice or just discuss guns, and some where they have a dedicated area populated with a particular species or group of species that are ok to hunt. They'll almost guarantee you'll bag something, one way or another. Other places, you might not shoot anything live, you just run trap and skeet, or "sporting clays". They're mostly for guys like me who aren't interested in wild game, but would like to be proficient with a firearm, so we play games with them.

Thing is, it's kinda tough to "rent" or "borrow" guns, unless you personally know somebody who'll do it for you. Then, it's pretty rare that you can just go hunt something for the thrill of it. You have to take what you get and deal with it. Either give it away, eat it, whatever. Just shooting animals for sport is frowned upon, even if you bury it. Then, because it's wild, not too many people want what you kill even for free. Plus, there are licenses - the state isn't going to let you do anything for fun/profit/survival without taxing it or putting fees on it somehow. The bad part there is it's not jsut a matter of paying a fee - they only issue a certain amount of licenses for a certain number of kills, because there's population management going on. So, you apply for a license, and you may or may not get one. It's a lottery. 100,000 people apply, and depend on the estimates of the herd size for the year they'll issue X number of permits.

Finally, there aren't too many "big" animals you're allowed to hunt. Just off the top of my head, there are deer, bears, elk, moose... everything else is pretty much birds and small game. There aren't a huge number of bear, elk or moose to be found, so there are only very limited licenses issued for those. Deer are common as rats in some states, like here in Michigan. If they didn't let them be hunted, many would simply starve to death because there are more of them than there is food for them to eat. The annual thinning here in Michigan puts about 30,000 deer kills on the wolves, about 10,000 on vehicular accidents, and between 30,000 - 50,000 to hunters. Still leaves a population of around a million all the time. That's just Michigan. Other northern states have their own stats.

Smaller game aren't as tough as you might imagine, given the right gun and ammo load. Duck, goose, pheasant and rabbit hunting are popular here, and they're all good eating. Gotta learn to use a shotgun, but it's certainly not insurmountable. A few days shooting trap and skeet, and you'd be in reasonable shape for birds. Just gotta learn how to lead them.

I don't know if any of that is useful, but seriously, Google is your friend. Hunting is a big sport here, and there's tons of info on it. You're not going to have to dig to find it.

Cagey pretty much summed it up. Plus I'm not sure what the laws are here in the states for non US citizens visiting the US shooting or possessing firearms. But I'm sure there are "camps" that you can look into to do some "Big" game hunting.. :dontknow:

 

[Cagey]

Why would you feel the need to kill animals? *insert something about tiny penises*  :sad1:

I don't feel any need to kill animals - I have a Kroger's right around the block from me where I can buy just the tenderloin from a variety of animals, amongst a wide variety of other delicious parts. But, I don't have anything against it. A man's gotta eat, after all. Other animals you wouldn't normally eat sometimes just need killin'. Rats and pigeons come to mind, as well as poodles and chihuahuas <grin>

 

[DangerousR6]

Guns are big here in the States, as is hunting. There are hunt clubs, gun clubs, practice ranges, private property, all sorts of ways you can get your jollies with guns. It's the rare household that doesn't have at least one, if not several guns. Last time I looked, something like 60 million households owned over 200 million guns.

There are "camps" here where you can hunt or practice or just discuss guns, and some where they have a dedicated area populated with a particular species or group of species that are ok to hunt. They'll almost guarantee you'll bag something, one way or another. Other places, you might not shoot anything live, you just run trap and skeet, or "sporting clays". They're mostly for guys like me who aren't interested in wild game, but would like to be proficient with a firearm, so we play games with them.

Thing is, it's kinda tough to "rent" or "borrow" guns, unless you personally know somebody who'll do it for you. Then, it's pretty rare that you can just go hunt something for the thrill of it. You have to take what you get and deal with it. Either give it away, eat it, whatever. Just shooting animals for sport is frowned upon, even if you bury it. Then, because it's wild, not too many people want what you kill even for free. Plus, there are licenses - the state isn't going to let you do anything for fun/profit/survival without taxing it or putting fees on it somehow. The bad part there is it's not jsut a matter of paying a fee - they only issue a certain amount of licenses for a certain number of kills, because there's population management going on. So, you apply for a license, and you may or may not get one. It's a lottery. 100,000 people apply, and depend on the estimates of the herd size for the year they'll issue X number of permits.

Finally, there aren't too many "big" animals you're allowed to hunt. Just off the top of my head, there are deer, bears, elk, moose... everything else is pretty much birds and small game. There aren't a huge number of bear, elk or moose to be found, so there are only very limited licenses issued for those. Deer are common as rats in some states, like here in Michigan. If they didn't let them be hunted, many would simply starve to death because there are more of them than there is food for them to eat. The annual thinning here in Michigan puts about 30,000 deer kills on the wolves, about 10,000 on vehicular accidents, and between 30,000 - 50,000 to hunters. Still leaves a population of around a million all the time. That's just Michigan. Other northern states have their own stats.

Smaller game aren't as tough as you might imagine, given the right gun and ammo load. Duck, goose, pheasant and rabbit hunting are popular here, and they're all good eating. Gotta learn to use a shotgun, but it's certainly not insurmountable. A few days shooting trap and skeet, and you'd be in reasonable shape for birds. Just gotta learn how to lead them.

I don't know if any of that is useful, but seriously, Google is your friend. Hunting is a big sport here, and there's tons of info on it. You're not going to have to dig to find it.

Why would you feel the need to kill animals? *insert something about tiny penises*  :sad1:

I just have my guns for the love of guns + I'm Texan and it's a requirement. But mainly I just like to target shoot, and have personal protection, to many idiots in the world today. And deer meat does taste good.... :icon_biggrin:

 

[Cletus]

Guns are big here in the States, as is hunting. There are hunt clubs, gun clubs, practice ranges, private property, all sorts of ways you can get your jollies with guns. It's the rare household that doesn't have at least one, if not several guns. Last time I looked, something like 60 million households owned over 200 million guns.

There are "camps" here where you can hunt or practice or just discuss guns, and some where they have a dedicated area populated with a particular species or group of species that are ok to hunt. They'll almost guarantee you'll bag something, one way or another. Other places, you might not shoot anything live, you just run trap and skeet, or "sporting clays". They're mostly for guys like me who aren't interested in wild game, but would like to be proficient with a firearm, so we play games with them.

Thing is, it's kinda tough to "rent" or "borrow" guns, unless you personally know somebody who'll do it for you. Then, it's pretty rare that you can just go hunt something for the thrill of it. You have to take what you get and deal with it. Either give it away, eat it, whatever. Just shooting animals for sport is frowned upon, even if you bury it. Then, because it's wild, not too many people want what you kill even for free. Plus, there are licenses - the state isn't going to let you do anything for fun/profit/survival without taxing it or putting fees on it somehow. The bad part there is it's not jsut a matter of paying a fee - they only issue a certain amount of licenses for a certain number of kills, because there's population management going on. So, you apply for a license, and you may or may not get one. It's a lottery. 100,000 people apply, and depend on the estimates of the herd size for the year they'll issue X number of permits.

Finally, there aren't too many "big" animals you're allowed to hunt. Just off the top of my head, there are deer, bears, elk, moose... everything else is pretty much birds and small game. There aren't a huge number of bear, elk or moose to be found, so there are only very limited licenses issued for those. Deer are common as rats in some states, like here in Michigan. If they didn't let them be hunted, many would simply starve to death because there are more of them than there is food for them to eat. The annual thinning here in Michigan puts about 30,000 deer kills on the wolves, about 10,000 on vehicular accidents, and between 30,000 - 50,000 to hunters. Still leaves a population of around a million all the time. That's just Michigan. Other northern states have their own stats.

Smaller game aren't as tough as you might imagine, given the right gun and ammo load. Duck, goose, pheasant and rabbit hunting are popular here, and they're all good eating. Gotta learn to use a shotgun, but it's certainly not insurmountable. A few days shooting trap and skeet, and you'd be in reasonable shape for birds. Just gotta learn how to lead them.

I don't know if any of that is useful, but seriously, Google is your friend. Hunting is a big sport here, and there's tons of info on it. You're not going to have to dig to find it.

Why would you feel the need to kill animals? *insert something about tiny penises*  :sad1:

I just have my guns for the love of guns + I'm Texan and it's a requirement. But mainly I just like to target shoot, and have personal protection, to many idiots in the world today. And deer meat does taste good.... :icon_biggrin:

have you heard that you're much more likely to be shot by a family member than an intruder? Personal protection is a pretty rubbish justification. Anyway gents, as this forum is non-politrical, I'll leave it there and not cause an argument

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Why would you feel the need to kill animals? *insert something about tiny penises*  :sad1:

There's always the thinning the herd arguement.  Kill them or have them starve to death, ya know?

 

[Cagey]

I just have my guns for the love of guns + I'm Texan and it's a requirement. But mainly I just like to target shoot, and have personal protection, to many idiots in the world today. And deer meat does taste good.... :icon_biggrin:

The personal protection thing is big, too. Forgot to mention that one. The anti-gun lobby has even stopped whining so much since there's such a preponderance of data showing how violent crime goes down in states that pass CCW laws. Criminals are rightfully afraid to attack people for fear they'll get drawn down on.

 

[Cletus]

I just have my guns for the love of guns + I'm Texan and it's a requirement. But mainly I just like to target shoot, and have personal protection, to many idiots in the world today. And deer meat does taste good.... :icon_biggrin:

The personal protection thing is big, too. Forgot to mention that one. The anti-gun lobby has even stopped whining so much since there's such a preponderance of data showing how violent crime goes down in states that pass CCW laws. Criminals are rightfully afraid to attack people for fear they'll get drawn down on.

There is also a tsunami of evidence that those countires that don't have guns have a vastly less murders. Sorry, had to get the last word in and not allow a bad argument stand.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Most of the murders involving guns have guns that were illegally obtained.  Outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.

 

[DangerousR6]

Most of the murders involving guns have guns that were illegally obtained.  Outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.

Could be fun to be an outlaw..... :icon_biggrin:

 

[The Norwegian Guy]

Why don't u come to norway to hunt? We can hunt basicly anything here - and it's not hard to get permission to carry a gun. (not in the streets, but for hunting).

Me and some friends went rabbit hunting last winter.

 

[DangerousR6]

Why don't u come to norway to hunt? We can hunt basicly anything here - and it's not hard to get permission to carry a gun. (not in the streets, but for hunting).

Me and some friends went rabbit hunting last winter.

Looks like you found the enemy snowman instead of wabbits.... :laughing7:

 

[Cletus]

Most of the murders involving guns have guns that were illegally obtained.  Outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.

So out of the 50,000 or so gun related deaths each year in the U.S., which coem from the 230 million guns in the U.S. illegal guns are the problem? Perhaps just guns are the problem.