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Hitting the limits of my Tonelab

mayfly said:
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Spent tonight tweaking.  Feel is where I want it
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so what is it that determined the "feel" on this thing? I'm just curious what you had to adjust to get it where you wanted it.
 
There was no one thing, but a pile of different things.  mostly it was adding some gain before the front of the amp, tweaking the sag control, the master, the power amp input freq, the LF and HF resonances, selecting the right mic, and adding a EQ 'block' at the end of it all.  It's a lot of fiddling, but the more you fiddle, the more you figure out what works for what.

Spent the evening (after the festivities were over) A/B ing it with the tonelab.  Now it kills the tonelab in all patches.  The tonelab sounds thin in comparison.

Ultimate test will be with the entire band - scheduled for next week.
 
that's really sweet that it's that configurable - sounds like it could drive a non-tweaker crazy. :laughing7:

I'm glad you could dial it in to your liking - I was getting a little worried for a minute there :icon_thumright:
 
GoDrex said:
that's really sweet that it's that configurable - sounds like it could drive a non-tweaker crazy. :laughing7:
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No doubt. Two of my brothers who are guitar players aren't interested in the thing for that very reason. Might have to learn something, and it had better not be virtual. They want to see a physical switch that says "Wee", "Not So Wee" and "Friggin' HUGE!", along with some knobs that say "Not Much Wank" at one end and "Lotsa Wank" at the other. And there better not be very many of them.

Myself, I'm not happy until I see as many knobs and switches as a 32 channel studio mixing console, and I'm happy to see virtual controls that never get dirty or break at an inopportune moment <grin>
 
mayfly said:
There was no one thing, but a pile of different things.  mostly it was adding some gain before the front of the amp, tweaking the sag control, the master, the power amp input freq, the LF and HF resonances, selecting the right mic, and adding a EQ 'block' at the end of it all.  It's a lot of fiddling, but the more you fiddle, the more you figure out what works for what.

Spent the evening (after the festivities were over) A/B ing it with the tonelab.  Now it kills the tonelab in all patches.  The tonelab sounds thin in comparison.

Ultimate test will be with the entire band - scheduled for next week.
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You are on the walk now :)
As you are going FRFR, try a blocking PEQ: blocks on Freq 1 and 5.
This thing through FRFR is possible of so much more than an amp/cab from a freq standpoint, a blocking PEQ tends to remove those freq that amp/cabs do tend to bring out.

Actually I haven;t used mine in a little over a week. Been on an acoustic kick, partially fueled by a new acoustic last Tues.
 
Hey mayfly, you can't say things like "This one amp model is worth the price of the unit." That causes some people to spend money.....LIKE ME!  Especially if you're a working musician because it's way too easy to justify it as a tax write off. Please be sure to tell us what you don't like about the unit so that I stand a chance to curb my over enthusiastic gear habit.
 
Well, there is one thing that I find annoying:

patch numbers start at zero, which is fine.  However, the first button on the pedalboard is labeled '1'.  So, in a stock non-modified setup, you press button '1' to get patch '0'.

and here's the best part:  the current patch number is displayed on the pedalboard and when you press button '1', the patch displayed is, ......


ready for this?.....,








ZERO! :)
 
BTW - you can change the button / patch assignment to be whatever you want.


I'm just too lazy to change it.
 
mayfly said:
BTW - you can change the button / patch assignment to be whatever you want.


I'm just too lazy to change it.
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Lol... Cool. Oh and thanks for using the ultra as your signature picture....I wasn't thinking about it enough.... :-\  :icon_smile:
 
Gregg said:
mayfly said:
BTW - you can change the button / patch assignment to be whatever you want.


I'm just too lazy to change it.
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Lol... Cool. Oh and thanks for using the ultra as your signature picture....I wasn't thinking about it enough.... :-\   :icon_smile:
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Thanks for resizing too.. the first draft you had of it up there was pretty funny  :laughing7:
 
TBurst Std said:
mayfly said:
There was no one thing, but a pile of different things.  mostly it was adding some gain before the front of the amp, tweaking the sag control, the master, the power amp input freq, the LF and HF resonances, selecting the right mic, and adding a EQ 'block' at the end of it all.  It's a lot of fiddling, but the more you fiddle, the more you figure out what works for what.

Spent the evening (after the festivities were over) A/B ing it with the tonelab.  Now it kills the tonelab in all patches.  The tonelab sounds thin in comparison.

Ultimate test will be with the entire band - scheduled for next week.
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You are on the walk now :)
As you are going FRFR, try a blocking PEQ: blocks on Freq 1 and 5.
This thing through FRFR is possible of so much more than an amp/cab from a freq standpoint, a blocking PEQ tends to remove those freq that amp/cabs do tend to bring out.

Actually I haven;t used mine in a little over a week. Been on an acoustic kick, partially fueled by a new acoustic last Tues.
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Should I throw these blocks as the last thing in the chain?
 
Chaos in the basement:

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mayfly said:
Well, there is one thing that I find annoying:

patch numbers start at zero, which is fine.  However, the first button on the pedalboard is labeled '1'.  So, in a stock non-modified setup, you press button '1' to get patch '0'.

and here's the best part:  the current patch number is displayed on the pedalboard and when you press button '1', the patch displayed is, ......


ready for this?.....,



ZERO! :)
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You can modify this. This is an offset available in both the AXE as well as the MFC.
I have my AXE and LFP set so the 1st patch is labled 1 instead of 0.

Isn;t MIDI fun :)
 
mayfly said:
TBurst Std said:
mayfly said:
There was no one thing, but a pile of different things.  mostly it was adding some gain before the front of the amp, tweaking the sag control, the master, the power amp input freq, the LF and HF resonances, selecting the right mic, and adding a EQ 'block' at the end of it all.  It's a lot of fiddling, but the more you fiddle, the more you figure out what works for what.

Spent the evening (after the festivities were over) A/B ing it with the tonelab.  Now it kills the tonelab in all patches.  The tonelab sounds thin in comparison.

Ultimate test will be with the entire band - scheduled for next week.
Click to expand...
You are on the walk now :)
As you are going FRFR, try a blocking PEQ: blocks on Freq 1 and 5.
This thing through FRFR is possible of so much more than an amp/cab from a freq standpoint, a blocking PEQ tends to remove those freq that amp/cabs do tend to bring out.

Actually I haven;t used mine in a little over a week. Been on an acoustic kick, partially fueled by a new acoustic last Tues.
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Should I throw these blocks as the last thing in the chain?
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I tend to run them right after the cab block.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12374&start=0
 
TBurst Std said:
mayfly said:
Well, there is one thing that I find annoying:

patch numbers start at zero, which is fine.  However, the first button on the pedalboard is labeled '1'.  So, in a stock non-modified setup, you press button '1' to get patch '0'.

and here's the best part:  the current patch number is displayed on the pedalboard and when you press button '1', the patch displayed is, ......


ready for this?.....,



ZERO! :)
Click to expand...

You can modify this. This is an offset available in both the AXE as well as the MFC.
I have my AXE and LFP set so the 1st patch is labled 1 instead of 0.

Isn;t MIDI fun :)
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I've fixed this up tonight.  It's easy .... if you take the time to read the manual  :)
 
Trevor, head over to http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/ and look around, there are many tweaks you can make.

One I read about a long time ago had to do with setting up the delay time based on note pitch. Meaning you could set the delay up to be shorter on lower tone/low register notes and become longer on higher pitched notes, kind of like a Treble Booster where the higher pitched notes become louder, but in this case the delay gets longer. Sounded really cool, you could be down low riffing out a tight rhythm pattern and just throw a nice little lead/solo line with a longer delay by just playing the higher pitched notes.
 
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