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Hitting the limits of my Tonelab

Well, I for one look forward to your posts on the unit. I just picked up another Digitech GSP1101 last night to use for another band I'm playing in. Couldn't pass up a great deal. I will use it direct into the PA. I use the first one I got as effects for my Marshall JMP-1 preamp and tube amp for a 2x12 cab. I look forward to getting this new unit to work and sound good by itself and not haul an amp anymore. Too many gigs to keep lugging gear in and out of cars and trucks all week.
 
TBurst Std said:
Looking forward to it. As you reference out of stock, I am presuming you are going Ultra.
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The standard is out of stock as well - at least it was when I tried to order this morning....

BTW - I was going to get the standard.  I don't need that big a palette.
 
Not to light your G.A.S. on fire (ouch!) but have you looked at the Digidesign Eleven? It's getting good reviews also, and the ability to just roll into Pro Tools every which way with no headaches.... I've read that John McLaughlin, Iron Maiden and a number of others are basically playing through laptops these days, and I'm not sure of the range of upgradeability* on any rack unit.

*(This is now a real word) :hello2:
 
The "Standard" is almost always out of stock. I think that's why so many people have the "Ultra". When you look at what the Ultra does extra it's not very compelling, especially for the extra $500 bones, but if that's all you can get...
 
not a hijack, just a observation
I really love to see what guys use for a rig, in the quest for the ultimate tone. Maybe because it is I am on both ends.
I have a Vox VT120 head and a stereo 2x10 cab, Basically a big multi effect built right in the amp. I love the thing as it gets me some sounds at the touch of the button and a few others I can tweak in manually depending on the room. My other end is when I can get away with it I use a bass amp with about 3 peddles, much smaller, but I need to be mikes to keep up with everyone.
I think those are the norm
what amazes me are the peddle heads, I have a guy who I play with about once a month who has more peddles than I can count, he has 2 home made (very nice too) boards to mount them on with power supplies built in. I think he has 7 different distortions. and he still talks about peddles he wants. But he can play to back them so I just shrug my shoulders.

Back to the insanity at hand, I was learning about multi effects, 
 
Cagey said:
The "Standard" is almost always out of stock. I think that's why so many people have the "Ultra". When you look at what the Ultra does extra it's not very compelling, especially for the extra $500 bones, but if that's all you can get...
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Actually the Ultra does a fair amount more than the Std. I have patches that could not and/or would not work on a Std. That is both from an effect standpoint (IE: Multi-band compressor, etc.) or from a CPU standpoint (IE: I have patches at 95% on an Ultra that would cause a Std to freeze).
 
mayfly said:
I use one when mastering...

... not sure if I'd use one in my guitar rig mind you
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Interesting thought though. Squash that ice pick frequency during a Tele solo. Or maybe that's the point of a Tele...  :laughing7:
 
mayfly said:
I use [a multi-band compressor] when mastering...

... not sure if I'd use one in my guitar rig mind you
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That would be me, too. That's why I asked. Not sure how helpful such a thing would be on a guitar rig.

I've been through the list, and the Ultra adds some filters, the multi-band compressor, a couple extra graphic EQs, a 40 tap delay, and extra pitch shifter that can auto-tune, some unusual chorus, a synth and a vocoder.  I don't have anything against any of those functions/effects, but I don't see me using them with a guitar.

 
A multiband compressor essentially keeps the power-crazed low notes from sucking up all the happiness... like if you play a big chord through a little two-knob stomp compressor, the lowest note is probably using up 40% of the compression, and the higher notes tend to disappear. Many rack-mount compressors have high-pass and bandwidth filters to try to deal with this. By the way, any time you kick a tube amp into power tube overdrive, it's compressing quite a bit, and speakers compress like crazy too ("robbing" highs), which is why tweeters powered by a crossover network are in full-range P.A. setups. It's pretty acute if you're playing through something like a Marshall, and play an open note then try to solo over it way high up the neck. Eric Johnson really caused some head-scratching with the beginning of "Cliffs of Dover", way back when. (Hint: TWO amps....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnqpOFcBiMM&feature=related

3:08, 3:29, 3:50 etc.
 
Ok, that makes sense, although it's not something I've ever worried about when playing live. I used to be able to do "Cliffs of Dover" dead nuts back when that was popular, and I didn't use any compressor tricks or multiple amps. But, I'm not as anal as Eric Johnson, either <grin> Not to disparage him - he's a helluva guy and a super musician - but he is meticulous. I remember once when my wife (at the time) asked him to sign a shirt, he asked what she'd like him to write. She said "Oh, I don't know. How about 'Love, Eric Johnson'?" He said with a perfectly straight face "Well, we're not really in love. How about 'Best Wishes'?" He was right, of course, but I thought "Way to be inappropriately accurate, Eric. It's a T-shirt, fer crissakes!" <grin>
 
I think we are a little off the latest turn of topic which is:
$500 for an Ultra over a Std
You have had a AXE-FX user tell you yes it is worth it
So far I have seen only conjecture over the use of the effects in it (which some haven't used) and I have not seen any feedback on CPU usage.
If we are here to help Mayfly, then we need to self-validate our opinions. If you can't, or for instance, have to ask here the purpose of MBC in a non-mastering environment, might I suggest you just be quiet for now in this thread. Really I have never seen so many people offer advice on something they have never tried, used, or had to use to make a living.
 
Honeslty, I was going to post something here than would likely piss a lot of people off. Rather than that, I will just say rock your music :headbang:
 
Are there any other people here that have played through or use an AXE-FX regularly for public performances or recordings that can chime in?
 
So... do you only take advice or conjecture about or have discussions concerning suicide from people who've actually committed suicide?

Just because somebody doesn't have direct experience with something doesn't mean they don't have valid input or concerns that are worthy of discussion.
 
Why start restraining yourself now TBurst?? You are obviously very opinionated, let's hear them. In all of your nobility or superiority or whatever you are attemting to display it seems you have over looked the fact that the OP has clearly stated his decision. Just because somebody has used a piece of gear does not make them an expert. Multi band compression is not exclusive to this unit therefore the discussion of this effect in a live guitar rig need not be relegated only to users of the device in question. Now how many guys do you think are going to chime in and say that this unit is overkill? Probably not too many, just like you will never hear somebody say they didn't need to get the softail they bought because a sportster would have done the trick. Come on guy, maybe if you didn't take yourself so seriously we all could start to.
 
I have personally learned from the posts on MBC and applied the lesson to a recording yesterday with good results.

Let's not argue, hey? This is Trevor's thread, let him set the tone.
 
and with that,

I go on the site last night, and the foot controller was available!  Almost placed an order, but then thought "nah - I'll wait till I can get both".  Then suddenly it's not available anymore!  :doh:

I wonder if they are whittling down the reserve list and offering something like 10% on the website when they are available or something...
 
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