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Hitting the limits of my Tonelab

Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy! Oh, boy!

Yeah, I'm excited for you <grin>

Actually, I'm excited for myself. I wanna hear about this miracle device from somebody I know and trust. You can read a million reviews, but until somebody you know says it's "ok", there's aways that little niggling doubt in the back of your mind. For what it costs, you don't want that apprehension.
 
Trevor, if you have the time, I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear A/B sound comparos of this fancy thing versus some of the nice amps you own, properly miced.
 
I just went up the thread to see he posted the shipping notice on the 14th, and it's coming USPS. He's in Canada so it has to run the customs gamut, so it's likely to be 7-10 business days before he sees it. I wouldn't get excited until about the 25th, 26th.
 
Label/Receipt Number: EC96 1577 295U S
Expected Delivery Date: October 15, 2010
Class: Express Mail International®
Status: Into Foreign Customs

Your item is being processed by customs in CANADA. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.




??? :icon_scratch:
 
Got to the bottom of it.  Since this unit was above 1600 bucks, there are 'special' rules.  I just received a bundle of paperwork from Canadian Customs with terms like "release on Minimum Documentation", and "Electronic RMD transaction".

I turned the works over to my customs broker.  They say they can clear it by end of day today.
 
mayfly said:
Got to the bottom of it.  Since this unit was above 1600 bucks, there are 'special' rules.  I just received a bundle of paperwork from Canadian Customs with terms like "release on Minimum Documentation", and "Electronic RMD transaction".

I turned the works over to my customs broker.  They say they can clear it by end of day today.

You have your own customs broker?
 
ErogenousJones said:
mayfly said:
Got to the bottom of it.  Since this unit was above 1600 bucks, there are 'special' rules.  I just received a bundle of paperwork from Canadian Customs with terms like "release on Minimum Documentation", and "Electronic RMD transaction".

I turned the works over to my customs broker.  They say they can clear it by end of day today.

You have your own customs broker?

I used to have my own amp company - so yea, I've got a custom's broker.  Strader-Ferris for those who care.
 
Those guys worked fast!  Now I'm REALLY worked up about getting this thing!

2010/10/26 09:13 MISSISSAUGA International item released from Customs for processing by Canada Post
 
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Folks,

Spent an hour over lunch playing with the thing.  More information later, but there is one thing for sure after my first blush with the unit:

I'm not returning it.

 
Hey Trevor

Caught this Thread late, just read the pages and wow!

Like the others have said, wehave to hear what you think of this in the flesh......having had experiemce wit building your own amps and then the Tonelab, you are in a very good position to really undertsand the differences in any tone (if there's any!).

Gear like that is out of my price range, but I am happy for you....many happy hours ahead being surprised by what the Ultra can do.. :headbang:  :icon_thumright:  :blob7:  :blob7:  :blob7:
 
mayfly said:
Folks,

Spent an hour over lunch playing with the thing.  More information later, but there is one thing for sure after my first blush with the unit:

I'm not returning it.

:occasion14:

Just wait until you spend more time with it. :)
 
Spent an evening with it.  Some observations and comparisons to the Vox tonelab

1 - the out of the box settings in the AxeFX are better than the out of the box settings in the tonelab, but that's not saying much.
2 - the out of the box settings in the AxeFX are worse than my hand tweaked settings in the tonelab - but I've been tweaking the tonelab for over a year.
3 - the AxeFX is one very complex unit.  There are so many knobs in the amp model alone it's really hard to know which knob to turn to get a desired effect.  For example, I put together a patch for my 'clean' sound - an AC15 into a 1x12 into a delay.  I was getting some mud on the low notes, and it took me forever to find the source - it was the LF Resonance in the 'amp geek' section of the amp model.  I gotta say - that's pretty esoteric.  The tonelab is about 10x simpler - which of course is a double edged sword.  Simpler is easier to understand, but when you want to make an adjustment and the knob you need is not there, you are pretty much stuck.
4 - the user interface appears complex when you first start, but when you get into it it becomes easier.  I imagine that I'll eventually just use the editor on my Mac.
5 - the delay used in my little patch is astounding.  An incredible sounding delay.  I nearly cried.
6 - the groovy pedalboard is pretty cool.  Once the AxeFX is setup, it's pretty much plug and play - no need to tweak it.  And it's smaller than the tonelab with 4x as many buttons.  Yes, I already have plans for these buttons.
7 - the various models are pretty close to the tonelab in overall tone.  For example, the various speaker / Cab models sound like their counterparts in the tonelab.  But - the AxeFX lets you model the microphone as well - something that the tonelab cannot do.  Actually, in case it's not obvious, the overall flexibility of the unit is pretty incredible.  However, you really need to understand what sounds you are going after or you will be lost.
8 - feel - jury is still out.  Not instantly in love with the touch response.  We'll see after a week of fiddling.

and

9 - Hey!  There was a loose screw inside there!  While playing with it I wanted to get a better look at the display so I tilted the unit up - and I heard the screw rattle of death.  Well, gave me an excuse to take it apart.  The loose screw was a capture nut of the type used to attach the mains supply jack to the chassis.  It appears to have been dropped in accidentally during final assembly.  pulled it out and no harm done.  The unit itself is pretty good quality, but there are areas of improvement:  Not all of the cables are locking for example, and the dressing on the leads for the cooling fan leaves much to be desired.  It's ok, but it's not astounding.  And although there is a cooling fan, there is no ductwork in the unit to pull in ambient air.  I question the utility of the fan in this case.  Having said all that, the overall circuitry quality is the best that I've seen in a guitar amp type application.

The final analysis is still TBD.  Seems like it's got some pretty nice sounds, but it will take me some time to get my usual patches into it.  I also need to work on the feel of the unit.  With what I've got it doing now, it does not have the touch response that I'm used to. 


I'll 'touch' base again in a week.
 
Maybe you could trawl a forum or two that might be dedicated to this gear, and pick up pointers and some patches that will improve either you use of the interface or the sound itself?

Hype indicates there's a stack of people jumping onto this item, so I'd guess they'd head to a forum to discuss the inner workings of it, particularly if it is as complex as you indicate.
 
mayfly said:
  With what I've got it doing now, it does not have the touch response that I'm used to. 

And thats why I want a pedalboard instead of a rack unit.

But this thing is the mother of all rack units so I'm sure you'll get some amazing tones before long
 
Day 2.

Spent tonight tweaking.  Feel is where I want it, and I've got about 70% of my sounds in there.

I discovered the trainwreck amp model.  Once I got it set I spent about 2 hours just soloing.  Very natural lead sound with loads of sustain and no noticeable upper harmonic 'hash'.  Full chords sound big with no inter-modulation distortion.  This one amp model is worth the price of the unit.

Switching between patches is fast with no dropouts (a big complaint about the tonelab), and the audio quality is excellent.  I've gotten the output clip lights to turn on, but no noticeable digital distortion.  The thing is taking whatever I throw at it.  I also discovered the global amp stuff - this is going to come in very handy I know.

Tomorrow the plan is to get my remaining patches in there and just play through my usual songs and see how it all hangs together.

Then I'm going to get the looper going and have more fun.

 
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