With all this silly carpel tunnel and trigger finger foolishness, I consider a standard thin to be ~potentially~ downright crippling. It's like all these big fat rubberized pens, and the tools now available with soft, larger grips - or even the snow shovels with a big bend in the handle. This is the stuff I should've been using for the last half-century, because if I'd had been, I wouldn't need it - now that I do. :sad: There's always a fix somewhere, but it's a pain in the... well I don't like listening to whiners either, so foo. I did just figure out that if I string at least one bass upside down - with the low strings at the side of the neck that's easiest to reach - that will keep things lively.