EGEN wiring schematic-What do you guys think?
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jackthehack
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Hmm, been thinking of doing a VIP wired out like a PRS 513 model; that setup looks like it's a dupe...
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do you think you have a use for 9 or 10 combos?
there are a lot of wires to trace there, the diagram looks ok but it would take time for me to go through it and find a better way if one does exist. and you say you know little about wireing, this may not be the best first atempt.
the big problem with series parallel wiring is big volume changes and deciding what pots to use. many people do it, myself included but i find less and less use for that stuff as i learn more about audio electronics.
this type of wiring is more of a way of solving a puzzle than anything useful. you'll learn more keeping it simple and understanding what everything is doing than trying to replicate what that drawing shows.
just my 2cents.
there are a lot of wires to trace there, the diagram looks ok but it would take time for me to go through it and find a better way if one does exist. and you say you know little about wireing, this may not be the best first atempt.
the big problem with series parallel wiring is big volume changes and deciding what pots to use. many people do it, myself included but i find less and less use for that stuff as i learn more about audio electronics.
this type of wiring is more of a way of solving a puzzle than anything useful. you'll learn more keeping it simple and understanding what everything is doing than trying to replicate what that drawing shows.
just my 2cents.
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feel free to come back with questions when you decide on something you do want to do
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do you want to coil tap for the notch positions?
auto or via a push/pull pot?
auto or via a push/pull pot?
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http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1h_1s_1h_1v_1t_5w
so like this but no tone.
all you have to do is delete the tone from the drawing. just pretend that second pot isn't there. simple as that.
also there is an unused solder joint in there. they must use a generic template for this stuff. you only need the one side of the switch hooked up, that wire that runs diagnally on the switch then goes to the volume pot only needs to go to the volume pot. just skip the solder joint in the middle on that wire.
for clarification on the last post, coil tapping is when you cut out a coil from a humbucker to make it sound somewhat like a single coil. it usually doesn't work that well. but you can tap a humbucker and wire it it combo with a single coil usually in parallel to get less hum when you combine them. this type wiring can get you the "quack" sound that a strat is said to have in the 2nd and 4th position.
it can add to the versility of the guitar.
a humbucker in parallel with a single arguably doesn't sound much different than just the single coil. there are technical reasons for this that have to do with inductance and resonant peaks.
two singles in parallel has a greater effect because the inductances match more closely and the resulting inductance in combo is about half of one coil alone. the more closely matched coils also cancel some upper harmonics that radically different pickups wont. the resulting sound is something unique to strat type guitars.
here are an alternate diagram if you are interested:
this one taps the pickups automatically, you don't chose.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1h_1s_1h_1v_1t_5w_as
if you want to select between tapped and not tapped in the extra positions for some reason seymour duncan didn't post it unless i missed it. if you'd like i can find one elsewhere or draw one up. no garentees as to when though. i'm sure someone else can help too.
so like this but no tone.
all you have to do is delete the tone from the drawing. just pretend that second pot isn't there. simple as that.
also there is an unused solder joint in there. they must use a generic template for this stuff. you only need the one side of the switch hooked up, that wire that runs diagnally on the switch then goes to the volume pot only needs to go to the volume pot. just skip the solder joint in the middle on that wire.
for clarification on the last post, coil tapping is when you cut out a coil from a humbucker to make it sound somewhat like a single coil. it usually doesn't work that well. but you can tap a humbucker and wire it it combo with a single coil usually in parallel to get less hum when you combine them. this type wiring can get you the "quack" sound that a strat is said to have in the 2nd and 4th position.
it can add to the versility of the guitar.
a humbucker in parallel with a single arguably doesn't sound much different than just the single coil. there are technical reasons for this that have to do with inductance and resonant peaks.
two singles in parallel has a greater effect because the inductances match more closely and the resulting inductance in combo is about half of one coil alone. the more closely matched coils also cancel some upper harmonics that radically different pickups wont. the resulting sound is something unique to strat type guitars.
here are an alternate diagram if you are interested:
this one taps the pickups automatically, you don't chose.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1h_1s_1h_1v_1t_5w_as
if you want to select between tapped and not tapped in the extra positions for some reason seymour duncan didn't post it unless i missed it. if you'd like i can find one elsewhere or draw one up. no garentees as to when though. i'm sure someone else can help too.
Here's how to figure out a wiring diagram: start at the pickup, and trace the 'hot' wire as it goes, eventually, to the output. Then start over, tracing the 'ground' wire from the pickup to the output jack. Pots only do one thing: they allow some portion of the 'hot' current to go through them from one connector to another, blocking the rest of the current. Capacitors only do one thing: allow bass frequencies through, but not treble. If you take that info and start with a simple diagram like this one: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1phat1v pretty soon you'll be making up your own diagrams, or at least making a lot fewer mistakes when you wire up your guitar.
Oh, and if it looks like just one wire is coming from the pickup, it's a shielded (braided) wire, the outside is the ground and the inside is the 'hot'.
Oh, and if it looks like just one wire is coming from the pickup, it's a shielded (braided) wire, the outside is the ground and the inside is the 'hot'.
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MicahC said:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=color_codes
generally the "finish" wires get soldered together, north start going to hot south start going to ground.
a lot of this can be switched around and you may want to do so at some time but since you are going for all dimarzio it wont be needed.
http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=281.0
In particular:
http://www.stewmac.com/freeinfo/Electronics/Color_codes.html
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=color_codes
A lot of times you have to translate the wire colors around, Ibanez & DiMarzio are the same except sometimes a yellow wire is substituted for white - since the blue, green, red & black mean the same thing, it's not too bad. Here's another one, but they fortunately agree:
http://www.skguitar.com/SKGS/sk/Pickup%20color%20codes.htm
(there's such a thing as too much information, staring at pictures is a good excuse for not picking up a soldering iron. ALWAYS redraw your own diagram, so you know what's happening.)
The sudden volume changes can actually be an advantage, if you're not wiring separate volume controls for each pickup. If you need different levels for different sections of a song, you've got 'em there somewhere - you have to remember where....
Tonally, it'll be a lot of fun to dick with and show off to your fellow addicts, but even an audience chock-full of vintage groupies with museum-grade ears won't give a rat's patootie what you've done to your wires, learn to make "rock teeth" too.
(Rock Teeth: clench your teeth, push out your lips, look upwards and wiggle your head)arty07:
In particular:
http://www.stewmac.com/freeinfo/Electronics/Color_codes.html
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=color_codes
A lot of times you have to translate the wire colors around, Ibanez & DiMarzio are the same except sometimes a yellow wire is substituted for white - since the blue, green, red & black mean the same thing, it's not too bad. Here's another one, but they fortunately agree:
http://www.skguitar.com/SKGS/sk/Pickup%20color%20codes.htm
(there's such a thing as too much information, staring at pictures is a good excuse for not picking up a soldering iron. ALWAYS redraw your own diagram, so you know what's happening.)
The sudden volume changes can actually be an advantage, if you're not wiring separate volume controls for each pickup. If you need different levels for different sections of a song, you've got 'em there somewhere - you have to remember where....
Tonally, it'll be a lot of fun to dick with and show off to your fellow addicts, but even an audience chock-full of vintage groupies with museum-grade ears won't give a rat's patootie what you've done to your wires, learn to make "rock teeth" too.(Rock Teeth: clench your teeth, push out your lips, look upwards and wiggle your head)
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