Barn Door Tele

[DangerousR6]

the biggest issue, is I keep going into uncharted areas, and they are unrecoverable if I make a mistake.
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So you can see my caution, I mean it keeps looking better and better, but one mistake, and I need to come up with another 200 dollars

That is true, writing another page in the "what the hell to do now" book...I can definitely see where it rattles the nerves a bit. I felt the same way when doing the finish on my spalted tele, I would just sit and look at it and roll it over and over in my mind about if I was taking the right approach...I had to take a couple shots of Crown just to get the nerve to dive in.... :doh:

 

[Jusatele]

Yukon Jack here, shoot me some pics of that build

 

[DangerousR6]

I think you did a helluva job with the wood burner, that's something I've wanted to try just never had the right project to connect it to... :dontknow:

 

[m4rk0]

Another vote for the rusty nails!! this project is getting better and better!

 

[B3Guy]

dude . . . do your laquer, then just glue some  :sign13: NAIL HEADS :sign13: on to the surface (if you are so worried about nails pulling up), or make the nail shaft REALLY short (like 3 0r 4 millimeters).  ccasion14:

 

[AutoBat]

I didn't know it was burned in before, I thought it was black paint or marker.  That's really cool.

I like this project either way you take it.

 

[-CB-]

OK. but then we are putting the Nitro off 2 or 3 weeks as we rust the nails to the degree we need. One good thing about the burn is it made the nils spots lower than the top. Now I have to get up the nerve to do it.

Not so.  Take your "barn nail" heads, and sand them slightly, cut them to length, drill the counter sink holes, burn around the holes a little for realism.  While you're doing that, mix up some salt water and put the nails in it for a while, then just set them out to dry for a while.  Repeat a few times.  They should be rusty VERY quickly.  Raw steel and salt water...  Then wash 'em in fresh water, and dip them in some phosphate (Naval Jelly) but dont wipe the rust off.  The rust will passivate, turn black and stabilize.  THEN you can glue them in the guitar.  Might take two days or three max.

 

[Jusatele]

it was black marker, I went and sanded that off and burnt it in for a more 4d effect

 

[ORCRiST]

it was black marker, I went and sanded that off and burnt it in for a more 4d effect

As we all I know, I f-ing despise Tele's. Your's is no excpetion, but that being said, this is a WAY COOL project!

+1000 for the real nails (or nail heads) =CB= and others have good idea's for the nails, I say go for it.

Nice job on the wood burning too!

ORC

 

[Cagey]

it was black marker, I went and sanded that off and burnt it in for a more 4d effect

It looks good as it is. I'm not sure what you'd gain with "authentic" nails. It's already a lot prettier than any barnwood could ever be. Adding the nail heads seemed like a good idea earlier on and I was an advocate of the idea, but now I'm not so sure. If you were looking for a guitar made out of barnwood, you'd have made one. The stuff isn't that rare. As it is, it's an effect, like the WWII fighter guitar we saw here recently. He didn't cover the thing in aluminum, rivets and then shoot it full of bullet holes. It's just a representative paint job. I think you've done a wonderful job of presenting your vision, and should follow on to finish it and make it useful.

It's easy for us out here to spend other people's time, money and effort. Look at the US Congress. But, do what it takes to make you happy, and keep it practical. Otherwise, you'll never finish the thing, and might end up with a pain in the ass to boot.

 

[Jusatele]

Cagey, I am strongly leaning that way. At what point is enough enough ? I could go so far as to put door hinges on it, but what would I get for that?
I think how it is, and the hasp loops for strap holders, I have gone the extra mile to have a actual playing guitar, or a non playing Barn Door.

At this point I have 200 and change into the body, Another 50 to 60 into stain, lacquer, grainfill, and wood burn tool. Plus other supplies needed, I can just see having to reinvest the body cost and some supplies, plus the time, because the nails did not look like I thought they would. Sooooooooooooooo.............

I m leaving it how it is, going finish some small areas that need touchup and fill, then do the Nitro.

Wish me luck.

 

[Cagey]

The money is one thing, but I think the ability to take advantage of your creation, as well as the time you have invested, is worth a lot more. Investments are only worthwhile if they pay you back. Otherwise, they're known as "liabilities", which are almost never any fun <grin>

Not that DIY guitars are any kind of investment, but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. There's an old saw: "There comes a point in the lifetime of any project where you have to shoot the engineer and get on with production." It's very true. You wait for the engineers/designers to sign off on a thing, and it will never be finished. No matter how good it gets, there will always be room for improvement.

 

[bagman67]

There's an old saw: "There comes a point in the lifetime of any project where you have to shoot the engineer and get on with production."

And don't even get me started on "consultants."

 

[ORCRiST]

it was black marker, I went and sanded that off and burnt it in for a more 4d effect

It looks good as it is. I'm not sure what you'd gain with "authentic" nails. It's already a lot prettier than any barnwood could ever be. Adding the nail heads seemed like a good idea earlier on and I was an advocate of the idea, but now I'm not so sure. If you were looking for a guitar made out of barnwood, you'd have made one. The stuff isn't that rare. As it is, it's an effect, like the WWII fighter guitar we saw here recently. He didn't cover the thing in aluminum, rivets and then shoot it full of bullet holes. It's just a representative paint job. I think you've done a wonderful job of presenting your vision, and should follow on to finish it and make it useful.

It's easy for us out here to spend other people's time, money and effort. Look at the US Congress. But, do what it takes to make you happy, and keep it practical. Otherwise, you'll never finish the thing, and might end up with a pain in the ass to boot.

Thats an AWESOME idea Cagey, I'm glad I thought of it! Time to strip that body and get ready for some aluminum!  :doh:

I don't think anyone here is advocating covering his body with nails. From what I saw, 4-5 nail heads should suffice in strategically placed areas. Following =CB='s process, it should be quick, painless, and he'd be able to see if the nails would relic well enough to meet his aesthetic vision before they even came close to actually being put on the body - none of which would radically change anything he's already done, unlike your previous suggestion for my strat.

All that being said, I like it the way it is - we're just offering ways to 'kick it up a notch' - of course Jusatele is the judge and jury at the end of the day.

In essence, screw you pal!  :laughing7: :toothy12:

ORC

 

[Cagey]

I don't remember what I suggested for your Strat, but after reading that post, I'm guessing you misinterpreted it. Or, if you didn't, that's fine, too. We're here to share ideas, not give orders. It's highly unlikely any two of us would ever build the exact same guitar. So, calm down. They're just guitars, not plans for world domination <grin>

 

[ORCRiST]

I don't remember what I suggested for your Strat, but after reading that post, I'm guessing you misinterpreted it. Or, if you didn't, that's fine, too. We're here to share ideas, not give orders. It's highly unlikely any two of us would ever build the exact same guitar. So, calm down. They're just guitars, not plans for world domination <grin>

You don't remember? Just scroll up!

Speak for yourself, I'm always preoccupied with world domination!

ORC  ccasion14:

 

[DangerousR6]

Cagey, I am strongly leaning that way. At what point is enough enough ? I could go so far as to put door hinges on it, but what would I get for that?
I think how it is, and the hasp loops for strap holders, I have gone the extra mile to have a actual playing guitar, or a non playing Barn Door.

At this point I have 200 and change into the body, Another 50 to 60 into stain, lacquer, grainfill, and wood burn tool. Plus other supplies needed, I can just see having to reinvest the body cost and some supplies, plus the time, because the nails did not look like I thought they would. Sooooooooooooooo.............

I m leaving it how it is, going finish some small areas that need touchup and fill, then do the Nitro.

Wish me luck.

Either way, nails or faux nails, it's still bad ass...... :headbang1:

I wish I had thought of it sooner, but for a more weathered look, you could have lightly sandblasted it while it was still raw. But maybe something to think about next time.... :dontknow:

 

[Jusatele]

I guess at this point, we are deciding the difference between art and a instrument.

One thing I see about some of the boutique guitars is that they are works of art, you are afraid to play them. Wild West Guitars in in town here. For those of you who do not know about them here is a link, http://wildwestguitars.com/.  Now All I have to do is jump in the car and in 10 minutes I can be wandering through their place and be playing guitars that we all dream about. PRS, Custon Shop, Suhr, and on and on, they have high end guitars from just about anybody, used stuff from the 60s, you never can really imagine what you will find. Last month I saw a set of G&Ls that were all identical in finish and hardware. Imagine a set of 3 different models all the same. Trick stuff. Plus they have real Boutique Stuff, I have personally seen a Dragon PRS, no I did not even ask if I could play it, But they let me breath on it. Anyway they handle, or will get you just about anything you ever could imagine.
But when you see such, you decide there is a dividing point between instrument, and art work. I do not think some of the stuff is meant to be played.
OH SHURE they are all playable instruments, but at some point they either get valued to much, or have features that are to fragile or make playing it a compromise. You have to decide what you want.
I want barn door tele to be a playing gigging guitar, not a show piece in a cabinet that you look at, Sandblasting it, real nails, and other ideas just do not seam to me to be a gigging idea.
I think they are great ideas for a piece of art. I think they are the ideas that would put the work over the top. I really like hearing the ideas also a the make me drool with the possibilities.
And some day if I have the money to put it into a axe I will never play, I can use them all.

I really want to thank every one who has posted an idea. the build has been influenced by them. My main idea was just a rugged plank look, as I talked about it I got other ideas some good and some bad an I thought about them all. This is now how the body has turned out.

I got the processing email about my hardware order, So now I need to get the body nitroed, I need to do a bit more grain filling to do such, and make a decision about my neck.

Now there is a problem, My wants and desires, the tasty stuff Warmoth has in the show case, the fact I have a friend who owns Mollenhauer Guitars, http://www.mollenhauerguitars.com/page/page/4989562.htm , and wants to finish this build. All this weighs on me as I move along. I know I have gigged with a few of his guitars and they are top notch, but then I can give him the finished parts and have him do one of his fret/settup jobs and the axe will be just as good. what to do?

 

[DangerousR6]

I guess at this point, we are deciding the difference between art and a instrument.

One thing I see about some of the boutique guitars is that they are works of art, you are afraid to play them. Wild West Guitars in in town here. For those of you who do not know about them here is a link, http://wildwestguitars.com/.  Now All I have to do is jump in the car and in 10 minutes I can be wandering through their place and be playing guitars that we all dream about. PRS, Custon Shop, Suhr, and on and on, they have high end guitars from just about anybody, used stuff from the 60s, you never can really imagine what you will find. Last month I saw a set of G&Ls that were all identical in finish and hardware. Imagine a set of 3 different models all the same. Trick stuff. Plus they have real Boutique Stuff, I have personally seen a Dragon PRS, no I did not even ask if I could play it, But they let me breath on it. Anyway they handle, or will get you just about anything you ever could imagine.
But when you see such, you decide there is a dividing point between instrument, and art work. I do not think some of the stuff is meant to be played.
OH SHURE they are all playable instruments, but at some point they either get valued to much, or have features that are to fragile or make playing it a compromise. You have to decide what you want.
I want barn door tele to be a playing gigging guitar, not a show piece in a cabinet that you look at, Sandblasting it, real nails, and other ideas just do not seam to me to be a gigging idea.
I think they are great ideas for a piece of art. I think they are the ideas that would put the work over the top. I really like hearing the ideas also a the make me drool with the possibilities.
And some day if I have the money to put it into a axe I will never play, I can use them all.

I really want to thank every one who has posted an idea. the build has been influenced by them. My main idea was just a rugged plank look, as I talked about it I got other ideas some good and some bad an I thought about them all. This is now how the body has turned out.

I got the processing email about my hardware order, So now I need to get the body nitroed, I need to do a bit more grain filling to do such, and make a decision about my neck.

Now there is a problem, My wants and desires, the tasty stuff Warmoth has in the show case, the fact I have a friend who owns Mollenhauer Guitars, http://www.mollenhauerguitars.com/page/page/4989562.htm , and wants to finish this build. All this weighs on me as I move along. I know I have gigged with a few of his guitars and they are top notch, but then I can give him the finished parts and have him do one of his fret/settup jobs and the axe will be just as good. what to do?

I agree, but disagree. Art is something you want to show off, so gigging would be the perfect opportunity to show off you "art", and not just your playing skillz.  And just cause it's used in a gig doesn't mean you have to go Pete Townsend on it. But I do see your point about going overboard for a daily player.. All my guitars get played with the exception of one, and it's one that's very special to me. However I don't play gigs so all my guitars stay in my man cave.... :dontknow:

 

[DangerousR6]

Sandblasting makes a cool effect on the wood. This is one of my Jacksons with a ash body that has been blasted, I have 2 of them,  gives it a nice 3D effect... :icon_biggrin: