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mayfly said:
Death by Uberschall said:
Hey SuperGizard,

I'll step in it. I'll bet you in a blind fold test, you couldn't tell a Plexi from a well set up POD......  :icon_jokercolor:
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As an owner of a couple of blackface fenders, and several AC30 and AC15 clones - as well as a vox tone lab - I'll see you and raise you  :icon_jokercolor:

Crap!  This means I have to make some recordings!  :doh:
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LOL
 
Death by Uberschall said:
Hey SuperGizard,

I'll step in it. I'll bet you in a blind fold test, you couldn't tell a Plexi from a well set up POD......  :icon_jokercolor:
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You sure?  I've already asked one dude to provide clips to prove that a modeler has tube amp dynamics... so far, not a f*cking thing from him.

As well, I asked anybody if they could get as fat, dynamic and grindy a tone as I got with a real t00b amp in a clip of mine... with a modeler... again, not a
f*cking thing from anyone.

(both can be found in the "digital effect vs. analog etc" thread - http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=9183.0)

The problem is, alotta people talk sh!t here but don't back it up... they make BS claims but offer no proof (clips).  Or they resort to "if it sounds good to you then
it *is* good" (yeah, and if I all ever played through was a SS Crate POS, *that* sounds "good").  That's fine if they don't want to be taken seriously from
a  tone perspective.

I'm all ears... if you can do a clip of a real vintage Plexi (not those sh!tty PCB reissues, unless you're talking hand-wired Marshall, or a point-to-point wiring clone), and do a clip of a POD emulating a true plexi... I'll listen to both on my cans and tell you which is which.

In the meantime, I'm really getting the itch to do my own tone-test clips and show to those who deny/lie that a t00b amp (esp. vintage) will blow away
a modeler in tone and dynamics department (I have Guitar Rig 2 & 3)... honestly, I'm tired of hearing the BS - facts are facts.  Let's stop the lies so the newbs don't get misled and waste their hard-earned $$$ on crap equipment.
 
Since all's fair in love and war, here's an actual pic of Mayfly's lo-fi portable recording studio (mind you not the hippies):

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http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5245157

Ok, here ya go. I recorded this a while back while trying to get a good sound with different mics and mic placements, and trying some different amp eq settings, delays, etc. Not a finished product, just me doodling for the sake of recording.

You basically have two tracks to choose from in that recording, rhythm and lead. One is a Tube Screamer boosted Tweed Deluxe, the other came from my POD XTLive. Tell us which is the vintage tube amp and which is the POD, and why you believe it to be so.  :icon_thumright:
 
Death by Uberschall said:
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5245157

Ok, here ya go. I recorded this a while back while trying to get a good sound with different mics and mic placements, and trying some different amp eq settings, delays, etc. Not a finished product, just me doodling for the sake of recording.

You basically have two tracks to choose from in that track, rhythm and lead. One is a boosted Tweed Deluxe, the other came from my POD XTLive. Tell us which is the vintage tube amp and which is the POD, and why you believe it to be so.  :icon_thumright:
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First, I'm not home and won't be til Monday eve (labor day weekend par-tay-ing)... so no cans ATM (laptop speakers).  

Second, by throwing in a boost, you're not being "pure" with the comparison... you're "cheating".  In other words, if I took my JTM45 and
slapped on as much gain and compression as you seem to like with a boost of my own, sure I can make my JTM45 sound solid state and non-dynamic like a POD, too.

Third, you need to tell us *what* you're using to boost the tweed with... and any other relevant info.

Finally, a true tone test would go like this:  Try "amp for amp"... do your tweed deluxe, sans boost... and then do your POD on the tweed setting; let the amps speak for themselves without adding anything extra to hide the sh!tty t00b-amp-dynamics performace of the modeler by playing stuff that's super-hi-gain, which masks the dynamics in *both* amps.

In the meantime, hold that thought for Monday eve... I will listen then with my cans regardless.


Addendum:  Any modeling amp can model hi-gain tone (i.e. super-boosted t00b amp) reasonably well, because there's no amp dynamics going on in *either* case.

Addendum:  As well, I've *got* to do my own comparison clips, too.
 
Tube Screamer boosted.  :icon_thumright:

Just so you know, the POD XTLive is on it's Tweed Deluxe settings with the on-board Tube Screamer turn on as a boost also.  :icon_smile:
 
Well hey, you li'l Rock and Roll Animal... that lead track gave me a headache, so I'm gonna guess it's the fake one - plasticine emo, yeah my robot was feelin' it..... You can cut out that pick noise with an EQ notch cut at 7-8K, prior to overdrive, you know. Hunter & Wagner were playing original B.C. Riches with the DiMarzio Super Distortion PU's and the 9 volt preamp, but I don't know if they had the preamp on or not - it was bypassable. They had to have been playing Marshals of some ilk, 50's or 100s available in 1974. I think MXR was the only phase pedal back then? :icon_scratch:
 
Superlizard said:
Death by Uberschall said:
Hey SuperGizard,

I'll step in it. I'll bet you in a blind fold test, you couldn't tell a Plexi from a well set up POD......  :icon_jokercolor:
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You sure?  I've already asked one dude to provide clips to prove that a modeler has tube amp dynamics... so far, not a f*cking thing from him.

As well, I asked anybody if they could get as fat, dynamic and grindy a tone as I got with a real t00b amp in a clip of mine... with a modeler... again, not a
f*cking thing from anyone.
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That was me ... and since I actually work for a living, it is a question of time.  Don't worry I haven't punked out.  The last 2 weeks I've barely had time to just pick up my guitar, let alone record anything.

 
Sorry about the pick noise, geez, I just recorded straight into the pc for the sake of trying some stuff out. The lead work was just some improv over the backing track. Trust me, it never went to press.  :icon_jokercolor:
 
Actually the easiest way to cut out the pick noise is to use a high-capacitance cable as your very first cord out of the guitar. I use the Lawrence solderless cords for all my connectors, it's like George L's but cheaper. But they transmit all the highs.... A big ol' standard "guitar cord" rolls off the exact highs I don't like. Hendrix used those awful coily cords for that exact reason, and "all" the Strat guys know this - it makes as much difference as pickup types, for sure. Speaking of racks, it was about the same time that a lot of guitarists got into hi-fi low-capacitance cables, which is why so many 80's shredders had chainsaw pick noise. It's even preferred, by the real aficionados*....


*(no i had to look it up dammit)
 
I can't hear any pick noise... in fact, I can't hear sh!t for nuances because of these cheap-ass, no dynamic range
laptop speakers (mosquito-tone), and it's bugging the hell outta me.
 
Ok, here (finally) is my submission to the tone war.

To start, I will concide one point to Mr. Lizard ... Guitar Rig's "Plexi" model sounds nothing like a real JTM45.  However, I use Guitar Rig for its pristine clean, and high-gain tones which we already know he doesn't like.   :laughing7:

I decided to go back to a piece of "vintage" software ... Amplitube V1.  It's normally a little noisy for my liking (just like a real t00b amp), so I don't use it much.  Its the "modern" preamp model, with the gain set at about 1 o'clock, the "British" model EQ, with the bass at 6, mids at 8, treble at 5 and presence at 9.  The cabinet model is a vintage 4x12, close-miced with a condensor (which I do for real amps too ... I find the 57 a little too nasally).  I used headphones to get the tone you're about to hear, 'cause I'm still saving up to get new studio monitors.  It was recorded as one take ... just me noodling, with no digital trickery whatsoever.   The only FX is a tiny bit of reverb, which I would add to an amp recording as well.

Now, whether you actually like the tone is subjective, and therefore irrelevent to the spirit of this test.  I start with a Lenny Kravitz-esque riff, turn the guitar's volume down, and play it again, turn up and play it again.  The tone cleans up, and gets dirty again ... proving that software can exhibit these elusive dynamics.

The whole point with using modelling software/hardware is versatillity.  I can go from a country twang, to mellow jazz, to classic rock crunch, to uber-metal with little more than the click of a footswitch.  I'd like to see you do that with your "t00b" amp!
 
I like tube amps, but I still wish I had heard of the Axe-Fx Ultra before buying anything. I could be happy with that for the rest of my life.
 
Reading this thread makes me wanna get rid of all my effects and tube amps, and go get a Roland Jazz Chorus.
 
GoDrex said:
I like tube amps, but I still wish I had heard of the Axe-Fx Ultra before buying anything. I could be happy with that for the rest of my life.
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I know I am. Quit lugging a Cornell Plexi, 69 Bandmaster and a borrowed AC-30.
Not to mention the pedalboard, cabs, mikes, etc.

My front of house tone is now what I hear.  :headbang:
 
Death by Uberschall said:
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5245157

Ok, here ya go. I recorded this a while back while trying to get a good sound with different mics and mic placements, and trying some different amp eq settings, delays, etc. Not a finished product, just me doodling for the sake of recording.

You basically have two tracks to choose from in that recording, rhythm and lead. One is a Tube Screamer boosted Tweed Deluxe, the other came from my POD XTLive. Tell us which is the vintage tube amp and which is the POD, and why you believe it to be so.  :icon_thumright:
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Alright - cans were on.

The rhythm track is buried, so it's nigh impossible to hear any detail on that.

The solo tone to me sounds plastic as well... so I gotta go with POD for solo tone.
 
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