I just installed a pile of "necessary" updates and now the only way to get to anything at all in this forum is to RIGHT-click eack step and open every one in a new window! Who do I kill? What do I have to sacrifice? How do I uninstall all THESE G-D "IMPROVEMENTS" so my G-D computer works again?!?!?
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sixstringsamurai
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I got the same updates last night, No issues....
Weird... :tard:
What browser are you using?
Weird... :tard:
What browser are you using?
I fixed it - I just had to re-route the forum thang a bit - this stuff:
http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/
Sometimes computers just take a sideways tweak, buggerall. I took an AUTOCAD class at the community college here, they bought one version of it and loaded it into 22 computers. And it came up slightly different on each machine, a blue line here, a red line over there. There's mysticism in them thar neutrons, Abe.
http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/
Sometimes computers just take a sideways tweak, buggerall. I took an AUTOCAD class at the community college here, they bought one version of it and loaded it into 22 computers. And it came up slightly different on each machine, a blue line here, a red line over there. There's mysticism in them thar neutrons, Abe.
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I haven't used Microsoft Virus Windows since Windows 2000. Been running Linux for the last 11-12 years. Could not be happier.
I do keep a laptop around with the MS Virus installed for the extremely rare occasion some misguided developer provides something that will only work in that environment. Currently, that's just the Axe Fx editor, which hasn't worked for some time anyway.
I do keep a laptop around with the MS Virus installed for the extremely rare occasion some misguided developer provides something that will only work in that environment. Currently, that's just the Axe Fx editor, which hasn't worked for some time anyway.
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Been using Windows since 3.1, never had any issues I couldn't fix. Something goes wrong, I buy a new machine, rinse and repeat.. :toothy12:
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I bought an iMac for video editing about 2 years ago. I partitioned the HD and installed Windows on it so I'd have my trusty Windows machine. Since I started learning more and more on how to run the Mac I would prefer to NEVER touch a Windows machine again if I didn't have to. I've since purchased a MacBook Pro, 2 iPhones, iPad 2, and an iPad Mini. I'll never go back to Windows. It pisses me off whenever I'm forced to use a Windows machine, for example at work.
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Windows has had its ups and downs. I think Windows 7 is really excellent. Windows 8 is fine as an OS but the UI has to be fixed with a couple of third-party tools (bring back start menu, that kind of thing).
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I'm totally done with Windows for personal use. My wife has a Windows laptop, Win7, and it drives me up a tree to turn it on then have to sit there while it does these automatic updates and leaves you just sitting there with your thumb up your ass for God knows how long.
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You don't really get that if you use it all the time. I have the exact same problem with my Mac - I use it less often and every time I do, there are a million updates. I literally can't remember the last time I had to sit and wait while my W7 laptop did updates. My Mac takes AGES to get to the point where I can use it, even if there aren't any updates. God knows what it's doing all that time.
The other thing is, on Windows, if it doesn't do something I need it do, there's either definitely a utility I can download, or I can write one myself (I'm a Windows coder for a living). I don't have that option on other OSs (well I do, but I have to basically start with "Hello World"). I do realise that this is a thing that makes Windows better for me not just "better".
The other thing is, on Windows, if it doesn't do something I need it do, there's either definitely a utility I can download, or I can write one myself (I'm a Windows coder for a living). I don't have that option on other OSs (well I do, but I have to basically start with "Hello World"). I do realise that this is a thing that makes Windows better for me not just "better".
Well then, there is no converting you to iMac then :icon_biggrin:Jumble Jumble said:
I'm on iMac and never ever had a problem. Same one from 2007.
iMac is the only system I have ever owned.
So for me to sit in front of someone Windows computer, I'm totally lost.
Anyway ... Windows V iMac is the same debate as Fender V Gibson.
Just use whats best for you or the one that works best for your needs, and be done with it !!
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To be honest I don't even think it's Fender v Gibson. I think it's chrome vs gold hardware. As a user, once they're up and running, it's about as different for me as using a pen vs using a pencil. People seem to massively exaggerate the differences in order to justify their allegiance to one or the other.
I use Windows purely because I'm more familiar with its inner workings. I think they're both good OSs. I can definitely imagine a time, say around Vista, when OSX was a lot better than Windows. But I don't think it is any more, they both have good and bad points.
My Mac doesn't actually take AGES to boot up, just an extra minute or so compared to when it boots to Windows.
I use Windows purely because I'm more familiar with its inner workings. I think they're both good OSs. I can definitely imagine a time, say around Vista, when OSX was a lot better than Windows. But I don't think it is any more, they both have good and bad points.
My Mac doesn't actually take AGES to boot up, just an extra minute or so compared to when it boots to Windows.
I just find it irritating, and... egotistical? Condescending... that a company as huge as Microsoft apparently don't see any need to do a kind of real-world testing of their updates before they launch them. They need to fill up a room with regular, ordinary people, with their own regular, ordinary old computers and zap them with all their updates, to find out where and how they gink up machines that aren't optimized super-modern computers. Of course the updates work fine on the machines of the guys who wrote the updates.... :icon_scratch:
Companies that make everything from automobiles to ketchup and toilet paper do extensive market research with hired guinea pigs before they launch their stuff, but with Windows we are the guinea pigs. Take it or leave it. And you can't leave it. :icon_tongue:
Companies that make everything from automobiles to ketchup and toilet paper do extensive market research with hired guinea pigs before they launch their stuff, but with Windows we are the guinea pigs. Take it or leave it. And you can't leave it. :icon_tongue:
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Far be it from me to defend Microsoft, but I'm pretty sure their testing is complex, widespread and comprehensive. I've heard that it's tough to write more than a few lines a code a day because the infrastructure, bureaucracy, administration, testing, etc., etc., ad infinitum is just ridiculous.
Problem is, to say Windows is an astronomically HUGE program would be an understatement. It's literally millions of lines of code. Not to mention, the design is such that it's largely a house of cards. The slightest quaver and the whole bloody thing implodes and crashes into stasis. There's just no way to test it as thoroughly as it would need to be tested before shipping, unless you never want to ship it. Plus, the traditional IBM architecture it's designed to run on is an open spec, which means there are 3,419,442 ways to build a machine, 5 times that number of peripherals for it, and 10 times as many programs to run on it all written by people who don't talk to each other.
That it works at all is major miracle. It's been in beta for 30+ years now, and it's still not right. Windows 7 is probably the most stable thing they've ever shipped, and it's not without sin.
Problem is, to say Windows is an astronomically HUGE program would be an understatement. It's literally millions of lines of code. Not to mention, the design is such that it's largely a house of cards. The slightest quaver and the whole bloody thing implodes and crashes into stasis. There's just no way to test it as thoroughly as it would need to be tested before shipping, unless you never want to ship it. Plus, the traditional IBM architecture it's designed to run on is an open spec, which means there are 3,419,442 ways to build a machine, 5 times that number of peripherals for it, and 10 times as many programs to run on it all written by people who don't talk to each other.
That it works at all is major miracle. It's been in beta for 30+ years now, and it's still not right. Windows 7 is probably the most stable thing they've ever shipped, and it's not without sin.
that 's why apple used different architectures for many years. they built the machine for the os they designed for the machine..... now they use standard hardware but they only use a small portion of the available hardware. keeping the hardware pool small is how they keep things stable they are a computer company that also designs software. but the interface? meh... i'm not a fan. though i do like terminal. it is way more powerful than the microsoft command line interface. but microsoft is a software company not a computer company. the computer companies are interested in hardware and saving money, and other than apple they don't design much software. so somehow the specs communicated between microsoft and the many computer companies and hardware companies are supposed to be enough for microsoft to satify everyones needs. it is just hard to do. they have to piss someone off in the process and make some things obsolete.
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Two quick points: firstly MS now have an insanely powerful command line interface in PowerShell. Check it out.
Secondly, for an example of what the x86 architecture can do when the hardware configuration IS firmly set, look to the upcoming PS4 and XBox One.
Secondly, for an example of what the x86 architecture can do when the hardware configuration IS firmly set, look to the upcoming PS4 and XBox One.
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just looked it up on wikipedia and it looks interesting... looks like they use many terminal aliases for the comands so people like cagey can use it.. there was a lot in there that was over my head but i like that it has piping. i know i'm not going to get a full user guide on wikipedia but i'd be interested to see just how it really compares to terminal. seems they did a lot to design in the functionality. terminal is a few decades old so i guess this having a fresh start can have advantages. i'm still not sure it will ever replace terminal.
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It's basically a first class .NET programming language. Full access to the entire framework along with any assemblies you care to write yourself (or buy in). Here are a couple of links if you're interested.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd835506(v=vs.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms714469(v=vs.85).aspx
The sysadmins I've worked with have all loved it. Just simply because there's nothing you can't do.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd835506(v=vs.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms714469(v=vs.85).aspx
The sysadmins I've worked with have all loved it. Just simply because there's nothing you can't do.
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I have run MS Windows sans anti virus for the past 5 years and haven't had any issues. When I did have anti virus software I picked up viruses, so I said screw it, and after my subscription expired, didn't renew. I now only visit secure websites, don't open questionable emails and avoid pRon sites altogether, and my hardware has failed/gone obsolete before the software (Windows) has given me trouble.
However, in fielding IT issues for my luddite parents/grandparents. I have seen things so messed up that I can't even comprehend what the hell they did to screw it up so bad (I have a grandmother that opens every email and link. She says if someone took the time to send her something, she should take the time to read it. Yes, she is bat $#17 crazy. I no longer help her fix her computer.)
Windows also appeals to the tinkerer in me that also loves Warmoth products. I can completely spec out a MS machine exactly the way I want instead of 4 different flavors of overpriced vanilla with an Apple product.
Caveat: I do have and use an iPhone because that seems to be the only high quality device that is guaranteed to be offered support until my contract expires. It has performed flawlessly since day one (over a year ago), which is a hell of a lot longer than the Android device it replaced.
However, in fielding IT issues for my luddite parents/grandparents. I have seen things so messed up that I can't even comprehend what the hell they did to screw it up so bad (I have a grandmother that opens every email and link. She says if someone took the time to send her something, she should take the time to read it. Yes, she is bat $#17 crazy. I no longer help her fix her computer.)
Windows also appeals to the tinkerer in me that also loves Warmoth products. I can completely spec out a MS machine exactly the way I want instead of 4 different flavors of overpriced vanilla with an Apple product.
Caveat: I do have and use an iPhone because that seems to be the only high quality device that is guaranteed to be offered support until my contract expires. It has performed flawlessly since day one (over a year ago), which is a hell of a lot longer than the Android device it replaced.
