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hannaugh said:
The word "homo" IS a derogatory word, and he was OBVIOUSLY using it as an insult.  I have tons of gay friends who would be offended. 

It is one thing to not agree with the gay lifestyle, it's another thing to be an a**hole to people because it's not your thing.  In fact, that other thing is called homophobia, which is also a word.  And even if it was not a word, it still exists.  And if you don't believe it exists, I suggest you google Matthew Shepard, the pink triangle, or just "homophobia" or "gay bashing" in general.  You'll see what happens when homophobes decide to have a little fun.   

Peace the eff out. 

I am in FULL agreement with happy lifestyles.  I think EVERYONE should be gay. I just think it's ridiculous to get so wigged-out about someone calling someone else a "homo".  No one here on this forum was called a "homo", it was a guitar player from the band "Marylin Manson". I mean, seriously --  Who gives a $#!t ?

There are some real hyper-sensitive crybabies on this forum...
 
JohninSC said:
T.L., you just dropped the bomb on everyone in this thread! I love how he keeps hating on me saying that I call other people mean names and am an a-hole.......but he does that by calling me names and being an a-hole himself.

Anyway, back to the thread........pretty much everyone here is saying how they love their tele, but not responding at all to my saying that they are ugly. I was wondering what aesthetically attracts everyone to them, other than the fact that so and so uses them.

John: the Tele, to me, si like an old car - it looks hopelessly out of date, but it still ends up beating the newer models hands down.

I was told early on that my playing style and technique (or lack thereof  :sad: ) lent itself to the Teles. Spent years resisting that until I built a Warmoth Esquire and have to admit the darned guitar fits me like an old shoe!

I have to concede that their looks are ones that you have to get used to, not as sexy as a Strat or as elegant as a LP Custom, but they are the sort of guitar you know is not going to let you down.

Re: T.Ls comments about the term 'homophobia' not being in the English language.

Well yes mate, it IS in the language ( and obviously you concede that fact by being able to debate both it's meaning and usage. Otherwise, you'd be asking what the word meant, period.  :doh: ), but the term has not yet made it into the general language English Dictionary. May well be a psychological/ medical term - so a check of that sort of specialised dictionary may be required to check that possibility and I don't have the resources for that.

That is how words like necrophilia and nymphomania made their way into the general language English dictionary - firstly a medical type term for a condition, then everyone found it's application and over time the word has been accepted into the dictionary.

T.L. if you knew anything about the English language you will know that words take a while to gain general acceptance across the majority of the English speaking populace.

Citing inclusion or exclusion in mainstream general language English dictionary is not necessarily a pre requisite for acceptance of the term as part of the English language. For example, up until the late 1960s many words used in slang by many people in the USA was not even known for that use in Australia. Now, of course, with the advent of greater instantaneous communication, word usage and even new terms and words can spread far quicker.

English is a dynamic, evolving language that loses and gains words for it's authoritative dictionaries every year, and sometimes words change their original meaning too. That sort of phenomenon has been plaguing everyone trying to encapsulate the English from Johnson onwards! It is considered very Victorian and conservative to ignore the contemporary usage of words and attempt to uphold dictionary meanings as the one and only authoritative way that the word is used. Law courts all over the world even stray at times in their attempts to reach decisions over disputes of contracts, terms and conditions and definitions.
 
Certainly to each his own - I've been playing hard rock/heavy metal since I was just a wee tyke - something like 25+ years now. When I was young and stupid I thought that having a "metal" shaped guitar was the only way to play metal. So I have some of the classic "metal" shaped guitars - BC Rich Warlock - RR "V" - Jackson soloist. As I've matured I've come to appreciate the more "classic" shaped guitars Les Paul, Strat, Tele. My first Warmoth build is a Tele and I love it - and I actually really like the Tele headstock. Now my next three planned Warmoth builds will all be Tele's. Of course I now understand that what comes out of your guitar has nothing to do with the shape or color of your guitar - To look at my Tele - you're probably thinking Country twang - couldn't be further from reality - with twin humbuckers and an EMG afterburner - my Tele will shred with the best of them - if only I could shred with the best of them  :doh:.

Couple of John5 comments - He was the one who said there is something just wrong about playing  heavy music on a Tele. I have to say I get it - I love the irony of playing Slayer on a Tele that looks like it should be playing Dixie Chicks. Secondly, say what you will about the guys clothes and make-up (hey not my thing either)  but this is his girlfriend so if he's gay he's sure hiding it well behind this smoking hot lady.
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Finally, some explanations that fit the thread, as for being his girlfriend........I'd like to seem some proof before I believe it
 
Well not going to debate if she is or isn't but he has a bunch of pics together with her on his myspace and he did refer to his "girlfriend" during a guitar center clinic video.

Every player is going to have their preference of guitar shape - so yours is not a Tele - no big deal. Everybody has those shapes that really turn them on for whatever reason there doesn't need to be an explanation (I personally think V's are a pain in the ass - even though I have one). We could argue until forever about why you and others don't like the Tele shape and those of that do like it will counter argue and ultimately nothing will have changed - it's kind of like politics.
 
What an absolutely mindbogglingly pathetic route this thread has taken.  Aside form the fact that Telecasters are the best guitar shape ever, people are now trying to make themselves feel superior by passing judgment on others.  If only someone had come along to absolve us of our sinfulness while laying out a life of service for us that did not include condemnation.

-Mark

p.s. troll cycle almost complete?
 
Ah for crikey...

Proper definition of "internet trolling":

When opinions are posted (starting threads) with unreasonable quantity (i.e. spam spam spam) by a single poster, then truly - they are a troll.

When opinions are posted (starting threads) with reasonable quantity by a single poster, then there is a direct correlation between calling them a "troll" and one's own penchant for being easily "offended".

For example, I could start a thread whereupon I declare my opinion of Hillary Clinton as "sucks".  Undoubtedly, some would considering this "trolling", but the truth is they just don't like my opinion/are "offended", so by applying the "troll" label, they would be demonizing me in a feeble attempt to prove me "wrong".

And certainly, just because you're "offended" doesn't necessarily prove you're "right"... and it doesn't prove anything along the lines of the other person "trolling".

C'mon.  :tard:
 
Superlizard said:
Ah for crikey...

Proper definition of "internet trolling":

When opinions are posted (starting threads) with unreasonable quantity (i.e. spam spam spam) by a single poster, then truly - they are a troll.

When opinions are posted (starting threads) with reasonable quantity by a single poster, then there is a direct correlation between calling them a "troll" and one's own penchant for being easily "offended".

For example, I could start a thread whereupon I declare my opinion of Hillary Clinton as "sucks".  Undoubtedly, some would considering this "trolling", but the truth is they just don't like my opinion/are "offended", so by applying the "troll" label, they would be demonizing me in a feeble attempt to prove me "wrong".

And certainly, just because you're "offended" doesn't necessarily prove you're "right"... and it doesn't prove anything along the lines of the other person "trolling".

C'mon.   :tard:

This is true for trolling 101, but if you're a seasoned vet, advanced trolling techniques like posting a seemingly on-point topic that you don't actually feel anything for (with the sole purpose of running people in circles) are acceptable.

-Mark
 
If you came here to stir up shit, then that's trolling. Quantity doesn't matter. Plenty of people here question the sincerity of the person starting this thread.

You could start a Hillary sucks thread - but what's the point, other than to stir up shit?

I don't think anyone here is actually offended by this person's opinion of a telecaster. It was just posted in such and obvious attempt to stir shit up. And it worked. I don't think anyone really got bothered until he and his partner MR. BOLD started talking about "homos."
 
I really don't want to get involved with this, but seriously, are we all 5 years old?
Things like this are exactly the reason that i don't share my views on religion or politics, or sexual orientations and such.

If you don't like something, that is fine, but you have to respect everyone else that does like it, and not bash everything to hell just because you don't agree.

If you don't like Tele's, don't play a fudging Tele then. Play the guitar you want and let the people who do like Tele's play their Tele's.
If you don't like gay's, avoid them and let gays/people tolerant of gays to do their thing without bashing them.
 
line6man said:
If you don't like something, that is fine, but you have to respect everyone else that does like it, and not bash everything to hell just because you don't agree.

If you don't like Tele's, don't play a fricking Tele then. Play the guitar you want and let the people who do like Tele's play their Tele's.
If you don't like gay's, avoid them and let gays/people tolerant of gays to do their thing without bashing them.
+1
 
line6man said:
I really don't want to get involved with this, but seriously, are we all 5 years old?

Apparently we are... considering people got their panties in a twist because someone stated that Teles are ugly. 

And gays, schmays, what the fook ever.  It's like, "oh boo-frickity-hoo".  Some people accept their lifestyle, some don't.  So what?

Once upon a time, people could actually state their opinions without somebody else flying off the handle.

Political Correctness at any level sucks arse.  Period.

I therefore propose that any and all forums, real or interwebzzz, be shut down.  Since we can't handle opinions anymore, let's just cease any and all discussion and become ignorant mutes.   :tard:

There's far more maturity involved in allowing someone else to state their opinion and arguing against it, than there is in just trying to shut someone down; that's just childish.
 
AprioriMark said:
This is true for trolling 101, but if you're a seasoned vet, advanced trolling techniques like posting a seemingly on-point topic that you don't actually feel anything for (with the sole purpose of running people in circles) are acceptable.

-Mark

Alright, if and when that's the case, what sense does it make to give any attention to the thread?  Why not let the mods do their job if they deem it so?
 
OzziePete said:
JohninSC said:
T.L., you just dropped the bomb on everyone in this thread! I love how he keeps hating on me saying that I call other people mean names and am an a-hole.......but he does that by calling me names and being an a-hole himself.

Anyway, back to the thread........pretty much everyone here is saying how they love their tele, but not responding at all to my saying that they are ugly. I was wondering what aesthetically attracts everyone to them, other than the fact that so and so uses them.

John: the Tele, to me, si like an old car - it looks hopelessly out of date, but it still ends up beating the newer models hands down.

I was told early on that my playing style and technique (or lack thereof  :sad: ) lent itself to the Teles. Spent years resisting that until I built a Warmoth Esquire and have to admit the darned guitar fits me like an old shoe!

I have to concede that their looks are ones that you have to get used to, not as sexy as a Strat or as elegant as a LP Custom, but they are the sort of guitar you know is not going to let you down.

Re: T.Ls comments about the term 'homophobia' not being in the English language.

Well yes mate, it IS in the language ( and obviously you concede that fact by being able to debate both it's meaning and usage. Otherwise, you'd be asking what the word meant, period.  :doh: ), but the term has not yet made it into the general language English Dictionary. May well be a psychological/ medical term - so a check of that sort of specialised dictionary may be required to check that possibility and I don't have the resources for that.

That is how words like necrophilia and nymphomania made their way into the general language English dictionary - firstly a medical type term for a condition, then everyone found it's application and over time the word has been accepted into the dictionary.

T.L. if you knew anything about the English language you will know that words take a while to gain general acceptance across the majority of the English speaking populace.

Citing inclusion or exclusion in mainstream general language English dictionary is not necessarily a pre requisite for acceptance of the term as part of the English language. For example, up until the late 1960s many words used in slang by many people in the USA was not even known for that use in Australia. Now, of course, with the advent of greater instantaneous communication, word usage and even new terms and words can spread far quicker.

English is a dynamic, evolving language that loses and gains words for it's authoritative dictionaries every year, and sometimes words change their original meaning too. That sort of phenomenon has been plaguing everyone trying to encapsulate the English from Johnson onwards! It is considered very Victorian and conservative to ignore the contemporary usage of words and attempt to uphold dictionary meanings as the one and only authoritative way that the word is used. Law courts all over the world even stray at times in their attempts to reach decisions over disputes of contracts, terms and conditions and definitions.

I know plenty about the "English language". I also know about etymology. The origins of the words "homo" and "phobia" have NOTHING to do with being afraid of homosexuals, and I have personally never met anyone who was afraid of homosexuals, but I know many who disagree with the lifestyle of it.  Once again, I never brought this subject up. I only stated some facts. Homosexuals couldn't care less about "offending" anyone by flaunting their behavior, so there is NO WAY I am gonna worry about offending them by calling someone a "homo". I am and always will be politically INcorrect, and I ain't losing any sleep over it. Our society is becoming more and more feminized, and there are more and more crybabies everywhere I look. GROW A PAIR already!  If my views offend you, I am offended that YOU'RE offended...
 
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