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Incoming - first non-Warmoth guitar in a while

mrpinter

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After three Warmoth builds in a row, I'm having a custom guitar built for me. It's an S type guitar - alder body, all maple neck, Lollar pickups, Hipshot hardware, nitrocellulose silverburst finish. The luthier is Travis Walker of JW Van Guitarworks of Kentucky, and he tells me it's all finished except for letting it settle in for final setup. I traded a nice Hamer T62 straight across for it. I'm kind of taking a chance on an "up and coming" builder... I hope this was a good decision. Word on the internets is that his does a really good job with his necks. We'll see. Here's a pic that I played with in Photoshop to lose his cluttered shop background:

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I try to get at least a sniff of every decent guitar I can, once in a while I even make a temporary swap of a home-built for one, just to have it around for a week or so. Where else are you going to learn anything real (as opposed to repeated-so-often-on-the-net-it-MUST-be-true)? I do get a moderate kick out of the guy, in search of a duplicate for his "perfect neck"; which happens to be on his Squier, which happens to be the only guitar he's played for more than five minutes. Hmmm. Ummm. :icon_scratch:

Sluttiness is pursuit of perfection is, ummm, well... OK for guitars, at least! :icon_thumright:
 
She's finally here, and I must say was worth the wait. Looks great, plays great, and sounds awesome with those Lollar pickups (very wide range of tonality from deep to bright, with lots of articulation). Little touches like the subtle very small aluminum fret markers are very tasty. All in all, I'm very pleased. I took a chance with an up and coming builder (note the #56 on the headstock!) and it looks like it paid off. Here are some pics:

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The lighter maple really complements the darker body finish. You usually see those silverburst finishes on Gibsons with dark fretboards, so it's a refreshing change of scenery.
 
That middle pickup has a pretty profound effect on the bridge and neck pickups. Not sure I like it on its own, either. Sounds kinda damped or muffled, somehow. What is it?
 
The pickups are Lollars - I think they're Vintage Blondes. If they sound damped or muffled it might just be the questionable sound quality of the iPhone I used to record the video with, and also the room isn't ideal for ambient sound. But it does have a big effect on the front and back pickups.
 
Now you've got me going, Cagey. I did another video of just the single pickup positions, to better hear the differences between them. The middle pickup does sound a little flat - and darker than I'm used to for a middle pickup. But it still fits right in the middle of the other two, tone-wise. Maybe this is why I almost never use the middle position on it's own. Here is the vid:

http://s171.photobucket.com/user/mrpinter_photos/media/music%20videos/IMG_0209.mp4.html
 
Cagey said:
What did you use for a tone capacitor?

Well, that's one of the items I didn't specify... Travis Walker put in whatever he chose. Are you thinking it might be the wrong value? Both tone controls were set all the way up as I always keep them (I don't even know why I have tone controls, LOL)
 
Well, there's really no "wrong" value for a tone cap. But, the larger they are, the more they tend to pull off high end and articulation, even when the tone control is set on "11". That's sorta what it sounds like to me - like he used a .047µF (or larger) as opposed to a .022µF. Either that, or he used 250K pots. Or both.

Don't get me wrong - it's a nice tone you're getting. But, to me, it sounds a bit restrained, like something a jazz player might like. That's not necessarily a Bad Thing, it's just not what I'd want. If that's all the way up, you might be missing out on some of the Lollar flavor you paid so much for. But, again, that's just me. I'd rather have high end I can roll off to smooth things out than not have it at all. Never know when you might want to get raucous <grin>

Easy enough to check. Pull the control cavity cover off, and see what he put in there.
 
Your comment that the tone might be something a jazz player might like put me in mind of something I should have mentioned. The guitar is strung with Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Bebop strings! That might be part of what you're hearing. They're round wound strings, so they're not as subdued as flat wounds, but they do put the fundamental in place stronger than typical hex core metal strings.

Anyway, as always, I appreciate your good info. Thanks.

Mike
 
I'm not familiar with those strings, but if they're intended for jazz players, that explains a lot.

You're right about flat wounds sounding subdued. I remember about 100 years ago I had an Epiphone 335 copy that I put flat wounds on because I was aggravated by the string noise the round wounds were making. Quite a mistake. But, I made a lotta mistakes with that guitar. Too young to know any better.
 
What's the most fun is the radical, advanced jazz players - who insist that not only is rock and roll primitive, backwards music, but that their guitars should sound like 50's throwbacks.  Or throwback toodler Wynton Marsalis, insisting that Miles David "sold out" because he didn't keep sounding the same as he did when Wynton Marsalis was growing up.

I do like to keep at least one guitar strung up with something like 11-52's with a wound third string - every once in a while, it's nice to play in tune - and flatwounds make for fine slide playing. But once you start fretting on them, they go dead pretty quick even to my ear.  The whole system that's evolved together - strings that sound good through the average amp sound, amps designed to sound good for the largest average types of guitars, guitars that are built to make average pickups work best - "average" in the sense of "in-between", not average meaning bad - you can't get too far off the center point before you can't get back to normal.

Context is important too - what sound great by yourself in the living room may be just a dull thud in a band, especially if everyone's trying to "cut through the mix", one of the all-time worst ideas available. WHO'S IN THE MIX....  And I'm pretty sure you can't take the word of any guitar player who started playing full-time professionally in the 1960's, even the mid-to-late 70's. All these guys who insist that the in-ear monitors have "solved" their deafness problems - hey, Keith Richards and Eric Clapton and Pete Townsend and John McLaughlin ain't hearing what I'm hearing, that's for sure. :-\
 
Hey Cagey: I took the guitar to my tech yesterday, and he did a complete setup, including adjusting the pickups. They were raised too high and close to the strings. Now they're adjusted properly and the sound is much more "musical", especially the middle pickup. It has a sparkle and harmonics that it didn't have before. Just thought you'd like to know.
 
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