Hey Hannaugh! Design me a Telecaster!

[Patrick from Davis]

There is more in lacquer solvents than just acetone, and it causes it to smear like no other.  Most toners have styrene in them now so they are very solvent susceptible.  If you pour a quarter sized bit of lacquer on it it will really come up.
Patrick

 

[Cagey]

At the risk of sounding like an angry bitch...

Fine! I don't care! Do what you want!

I'm certainly going to do what I want, so we'll both be happy <grin>

 

[Patrick from Davis]

Okay then, this took all of a moment or two...

http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=12518.msg171338#msg171338

There you go.  Still, I cannot understand why you don't use lacquer itself for the test.  Sounds like an engineering student, use a model when you have the real thing.  I deal with lots of that with training Engineering grad students on how to do analytical chem.  Drives you nuts.
Patrick

 

[Cagey]

Interesting. I don't remember doing that, but that doesn't mean anything. I don't remember a lot of stuff. It can be embarrassing. Sometimes I wonder what it's going to be like in 10 years, assuming I live that much longer.

Not to dispute the solubility of toner in acetone, but I wonder if the difference was the substrate. That test was done on plastic, while this one was done on paper. Clearly, there was a difference in results, I just wonder why. Maybe the solvent is acting as a surfactant. Dunno. Matters not. If it smears, it's NFG.

I didn't use lacquer for the test because I didn't want to mix up a batch just to put a streak on a piece of paper. Not that it's tough to do, but then you have to clean up after it. Anyway, I was thinking of the solvent rather than the solids as the problem child. But, you're right - if there weren't other solvents in the lacquer, it would be a solid.

In any event, I will concede that it certainly can't hurt to put a barrier between the decal and any subsequent finish, and that shellac is a fine candidate for that barrier.

 

[Patrick from Davis]

Well, I have used Deft lacquer from a paint can, and it smears the laser printer toner all over the place.  I haven't tried the rattle cans, but I am guessing it does the same.  I am unsure about the lacquer that is used in an actual spray rig, it tends to have less adjuncts in it.  But I would still wager that the same effect would happen.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming, that laser etched paisley has got me thinking...  I wonder if it will work OK after one dye and sand back...
Patrick

 

[Alfang]

I thought that paisley tele was laser etched, not laser printed,

 

[Patrick from Davis]

It was, but Cagey brought up a laser printed transparency doohickey, and I mentioned that lacquer dissolves the toner.  It went off topic from there.  Then I tried to bring it back to the laser etched one. 

I would like to dye and sand back some figured maple, then laser etch, then re dye over that with a lighter dye.  I am curious if the dye would cause trouble or not.  Only one way to find out.  I guess when I get to that point on the list, I can try...
Patrick

 

[Jumble Jumble]

Just wanted to say, print the image backwards and then apply the decal upside down? Or is there a actual adhesive on the decal underside?

 

[Cagey]

Yes, there's adhesive. It's what makes the decal stick.

 

[StogiePatriot]

Yes, there's adhesive. It's what makes the decal stick.

Whilst there may be controversy on the specifics, here's a good review of the process of making your own decal
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/logo.htm

 

[AGWAN]

What have I done to this thread...

 

[Alfang]

Cagey, I think your missing it, theres NO decal, it's laser etched into the wood.

No disolving anything, its burned wood, from a fricken "LASER"

Once you have that Ah ha moment, you boys can stop arguing, and get back on topic.

 

[thebutcher85]

...from a fricken "LASER"

BAHAHAHAHA!!! a fricken Laser, that's awesome

 

[Cagey]

Cagey, I think your missing it, theres NO decal, it's laser etched into the wood.

No disolving anything, its burned wood, from a fricken "LASER"

Once you have that Ah ha moment, you boys can stop arguing, and get back on topic.

I didn't miss anything, you did. Go back and read the whole thread in sequence.

 

[DangerousR6]

arty07:

 

[Alfang]

No, You go back and re-read the whole thread, I don't care enough

 

[mayfly]

Jeez! Will you kids behave?  All I asked for was a telecaster! :doh:

 

[Pelagaard]

Jeez! Will you kids behave?  All I asked for was a telecaster! :doh:

You say that like people don't fight about telecasters...

 

[StogiePatriot]

I'll be the selfish barndoor and ask what's the latest on the design!?!?!?! :hello2:

 

[Patrick from Davis]

arty07:

The key to this project is the giant laser, which was invented by the noted Cambridge physicist, Dr. Parsons.  So therefore, it is fitting to call it: "The Alan Parsons Project."

I couldn't help it.
Patrick