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Control layout options beyond "standard" Strat for rear rout models

My drill is slower than yours. :cool01:

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By the time I find my electric drill, plug it in and assess the domestic threat level, I could be done with the damn holes using a hand drill and back in bed with a nurse.

IT'S JUST WOOD! ??? I bet you guys get really really really scared in forests, huh? :icon_scratch: All those... trees..... :o :o :o

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StubHead said:
My drill is slower than yours. :cool01:

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By the time I find my electric drill, plug it in and assess the domestic threat level, I could be done with the damn holes using a hand drill and back in bed with a nurse.

IT'S JUST WOOD! ??? I bet you guys get really really really scared in forests, huh? :icon_scratch: All those... trees..... :o :o :o

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What the hell is that? Some kind of old man's drill? Handheld drills are just too slow for me, it takes far too long to drill holes. I put a drill chuck on my router so I can get my drill bits spinnin' at 27,500RPM. That's the only way to drill a clean hole.  :laughing7:
 
Beaver-on-a-Stick would be too inaccurate, unless you got the little "Beaver-on-a-Stick Jr." model.

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Oh. My. God. -

Baby Beavers on smack!

our kitchen staff swings into the dinner service (see the blender):

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Num, num.

 
A twist drill bit grabs and pulls its way through too fast, that is, a sharp one does, if your gonna use a twist drill, use a dull one
 
Oh and Lineman, I hate to agree with Cagey too, not cuz I dislike him, I just don't agree with him usually.
 
Whilst this has been an interesting discussion of how I might (or might not) F up attempting to drill holes for controls, I still say it would be nice if Warmoth offered options beyond standard Strat control layout. That cavity is huge, why not a Gibson style 4 control layout? etc...

FWIW: Cagey, in my experience you provide good advice.
 
As soon as you start offering non-standard layouts, you open yourself up to disagreement and disappointment.

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Oh, no! You did it exactly the way I told you to!

For an OEM, that's just death. They'd be eating bodies all day long, as there's no way to repair something like that.

As for Gibson-style layouts, more and more people are moving away from those because they just don't work very well. Even Strat layouts are getting simpler. You're seeing more and more builds with just a volume and tone, and sometimes even without a tone control. Having a million controls onboard sounds like a good idea on the surface, but the reality is quite different.
 
hmm...  Scratch that comment about Cagey and good advice  :laughing11: :laughing3: :laughing7:

I understand we can't have anarchy. I was suggesting ONE additional option for a 2 control layout (master volume and tone) done similar to Suhr, Anderson, etc.  I will go back to my corner now... :doh:
 
Just order the thing with no holes, and drill them yourself. Or, if you're uncomfortable with that, mark where you want them and have it done after the fact. It's not hard to do, so nobody's gonna charge much for the service.
 
Cagey said:
Just order the thing with no holes, and drill them yourself. Or, if you're uncomfortable with that, mark where you want them and have it done after the fact. It's not hard to do, so nobody's gonna charge much for the service.
Thats exactly what I was gunna say  :icon_thumright:
Then you can have One control or any number up to the Four like a Gibo.
Plenty of room if ya want four.

Johnfv said:
I was suggesting ONE additional option for a 2 control layout (master volume and tone) done similar to Suhr, Anderson,
:icon_scratch: But there is already that option !!

Look at any of my strat builds, and you will notice I omit the Volume control hole.  :icon_biggrin:
I just don't like it that close to the Bridge Pup.

Stop picking on Cagey .... I say !!
:doh: Reminds me of my school days in the 60's and 70's

I personally think he has some very good advice ... as do plenty of others here.
Well he sure has helped me out and I'm pretty sure plenty of others too.
 
Anyway it's just common sense to drill from the top !!
 
I am a die-hard supporter of the 4-knob layout for two pickups, in all seriousness. The variety and QUALITY of the available tones makes the admitted live squirreliness worth the trouble to learn. Leave the switch in the middle, set the neck pickup to 6-Volume and 10-Tone, and the bridge PU to 7 & 7. You can alter both the treble bite and the midrange fullness quite independently, by manipulating the three knobs not up full. Essentially, the neck PU turned down serves as an inductor to pull some bite off the bridge PU without losing upper-mids. But you can get that too.

I learned this one early on, and it's pretty clear from watching videos of the old guys - pre-pedalboard days, dinosauric I know - that they were all over the knobs. This setup is even better if you have an on/on/on series/tap/parallel switch on the bridge PU, because you don't even have to move the knobs to get three different volume and tone levels to mix with the neck. Of course you can't be sloppy, but the guys back then played first and danced and posed second for the most part.

I lived in Austin from 1981 to 1987, and there was a strong ethos towards a setup consisting of guitar-> cord -> amp. And the few Gibson players there knew all the knob tricks. (David Grissom, Eric J. sometimes, David Murray-not-the-saxophonist, he had a lovely blond 335). Hell, listen to Clapton back when he had The Force, '65 - '69.

If ever there was a guy who knew his knobs, here it is right in front of you, OK? First, the Live at Fillmore "Elizabeth Reed." Which some hold to be the best guitar solo ever recorded. Which sounds idiotic to me, but it does mean it's prolly worth a listen at least. And if you can't hear the moves Duane's making on the knobs in the solo which starts at 7:45 or so; sure - what good are knobs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcpwMZKPsQM

Do you hear the fundamental difference about 9:10? Right at 9:36 it changes again, and at 9:55 he pulls the bridge PU all the way up. At by 11:00 he's changed it again, and again at 11:40.

Now, I had heard many times that the "Live at Fillmore" was recorded on an off night, which I thought ridiculous until I started digging through sugarmegs.org. I had thought that the harmonica player was superfluous and having read Duane's opinion that Dickie Betts was one of the best guitarists of that time, I thought he was just candyflossin' him. But as it turns out, there are plenty or examples of Dickie Betts on fire, and those nights also put the torch to Duane's playing. For example, the actual last closing night of the Fillmore, 6/27/71:
http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/AllmanBrothersBand1971-06-27FillmoreEastNYC.asx

Someone has kindly extracted the "Elizabeth Reed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS4xjQXTUYw&feature=related
Duane starts his solo at 7:58. And that's why you want four knobs, and that's what a Les Paul is supposed to do. If that and the "Whipping Post" from that night don't raise the hair on yer neck & yer nads, you need to stop waxin' so often, metroboy. 

"It's on MY first album," sez Duane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eshNVYygv-s&feature=related

These songs excerpted on YouTube sound like typical low-grade Mp3's to me, the cymbals are harsh (dead giveaway) and the EQ is off-kilter. The sugarmegs version sounds much better. Yet, even so, here at 1:44 Duane smokes one for the ages. And DAMN Dickey's on (left earphone), yes, use headphones. In some concerts Duane would "relieve" Betts if he went noodly (or robotic), but no need here. The MONSTER starts lurking about 9:30 in.... it's like a bow, drawn tighter and tighter. The whole song is a fudging lesson, kids. Scorn it foolishly.

There are what appears to be 35 - 40 pre-death ABB shows at sugarmegs. Yippie.
 
The problem here is the premise that there's a very small number of alternative "standard" control layouts. In the real world there are a wide variety of "popular" control layouts, with different numbers of controls in different locations.

And once you start having enough variations that, practically speaking, the customer is going to have to drill some holes themselves anyway, what's the point?

The reality, as posts on this thread show, is that people have wildly different control preferences so you can't satisfy everyone. And besides, drilling control holes is not terribly difficult.
 
There already is a Delonge option for pickguards, I didn't think another option (or two) would throw the universe off kilter but clearly there are many possibilities (and opinions) on control layout; I hear the "drill it yourself" message loud and clear...  :redflag:
 
Actually, it's a well known fact that if Warmoth were to offer as few as three more options for bodies or necks than they currently do, the earth's magnetic poles would reverse and sunspot activity would decrease to 30% of its current level. This would not only plunge us into a new ice age from which humanity would never recover, but it would mean that RWRP pickup sets would no longer cancel hum. So I think you'd better learn to drill, buddy. For all mankind's sake.
 
I don't see what the problem is. Anyone that has assembled a Warmoth has mastered drilling holes for pickguard screws, tuner screws, string trees, jack plates, etc. What is the big deal with drilling for pots? :icon_scratch:
 
Johnfv said:
There already is a Delonge option for pickguards, I didn't think another option (or two) would throw the universe off kilter but clearly there are many possibilities (and opinions) on control layout; I hear the "drill it yourself" message loud and clear...  :redflag:

I kind of agree.

BUT, which two?

Your two or my two? And if they happened to do my two, but not your two, neither you nor anyone else would complain, right? I mean, nobody would say, "just do 2 more", right?
 
Johnfv said:
...I hear the "drill it yourself" message loud and clear...  :redflag:
I would wave a white flag if I could find one :laughing7:

drewfx said:
...BUT, which two?...
My personal preference would be a layout like the Suhr I posted but IMO ANY additional options would be good. I might like yours too! I'm no CNC expert but I'm guessing other "standard" layouts that are already programmed (like Gibson or Tele) would not be that hard to implement? I just think the standard Strat layout looks "crowded" when you take the pickguard and the top mount jack away.

line6man said:
I don't see what the problem is. Anyone that has assembled a Warmoth has mastered drilling holes for pickguard screws, tuner screws, string trees, jack plates, etc. What is the big deal with drilling for pots? :icon_scratch:
There was a pretty lengthy discussion in this very thread about how best to ensure you don't tear out the hole when drilling for pots. I've never had a problem with small holes like pickguards, tuners, etc. but I'd be nervous about taking a big chunk out of a $600 flame top.

tfarny said:
...So I think you'd better learn to drill, buddy. For all mankind's sake.
Indeed!  :occasion14:

 
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