Alpine White, Black Binding, Stunning Neck

[Cagey]

Thanks for direction Cagey  :icon_thumright:
So should I use that type of wire on all my earth runs ? 

You don't run separate wires for ground. That cable provides it via the outside braid. That's how it works. The hot wire is inside the shield, and the shield is ground/neutral/common/earth, so the hot wire can't hear EMI/RFI (noise/interference).

You can sort of see how that works here.

 

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Arhhh ... I see the light ....
Thank you  :icon_thumright:

Cheers

 

[Patrick from Davis]

I use this stuff.  I bought 100 feet of it, and it will do for quite some time.  It is essentially the same stuff as Cagey posted, but the insulation is teflon.  Makes it nice when soldering.  The place that I linked is an aircraft surplus/supply store.  They tend to have over built stuff.  You might look around to see if there is somewhere similar in your neck of the woods.
Patrick

 

[DangerousR6]

Arhhh ... I see the light ....
Thank you  :icon_thumright:

Cheers

Beer chess... :headbang1:

 

[Alfang]

I hate to disagree with Cagey, But I am, you don't NEED to use shielded wire to make all your connections,

For starters, we're talking 6 inches of unshielded wire, big deal guess what, the pickup has thousands of feet of unshielded wire. But, theres nothing wrong with using it, it looks cool, but it gains you nothing.

If theres one thing you could do to influence the sound from your controll cavity, would be poor solder joints, so make sure when you solder, nothing moves while the solder cools, the solder joints shoud be shiney when cooled.

And Cagey, I'm not tryin to start anything, you put out a lot of good advice for a lot of people here, but I've never had a noise problem by not using shielded cable, and have 10 plus builds to back that up

 

[Cagey]

Your tolerance must be very high.

 

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OK thanks all for your input, I didn't want to start a rumble or anything !!  :laughing7:

I can see where Cagey is coming from, plus I always like Cagey's comments.
I'm thinking he makes / puts together / works on other peoples guitars too. Not just his own.
So I fully understand that he wants to make things to best / spec's he can.

Anyway, as stated before I have used this type of wiring & had NO drama's with any builds.
Plus most pup's I've used are Hum, even most single's used are Hum.
I don't play on stage or though large power amps, mainly Home Studio, plus smaller amps.
With some of the stuff I have you'd think there would be some interference ... but NO !!

My Gibson LP & SG are as quiet as a mouse, WELL so too are all my Warmoth Builds.  :icon_thumright:

**Update...
So I completed the wiring of pups etc (with the wire I already had in there)
If I find any noise etc, can go back and re-do ….. no drama at all.
(Thanks for all the advice)  :icon_thumright:

Everything is on the Body and working …. so far !!

Oppps … :doh: .. forgot to put the control plate on

Before anyone says ..... pity about seeing the white in the Hum rout !!
Can only be seen from very close up or when using the flash.

I'm guessing I'll have Dougie Custom Neck plate this week, so will put together when it's here.

So for the time being, before the neck goes on.
I'm just getting HIGH on sniffing the Neck Pocket  :icon_biggrin:  ....... arhhhhh ….. Black Korina with a hint of Mahogany  :toothy12:

 

[Cagey]

It just keeps getting better and better. That's going to be one fine instrument.

I notice that those are "noiseless" pickups, so I may have been overstating my case when I said the wiring scheme was going to be "noisy". The term implies a degree of harshness that may not exist, depending on your tolerance level. But, while it may not sound like Jimi Hendrix with a '60s Strat plugged into a wall of old Marshalls-cranked-to-11-fed-by-a-fuzzbox noisy, it's still going to inject some unwanted signal to the amplification stages. If you can live with it, I'm sure everybody else will be able to as well. The general public doesn't differentiate much between noise and music. The very fact that you'll play makes many guys envious because chicks get wet. Can't explain that one, but it's a real phenomena and it makes instant friends of everybody but your competition <grin>

 

[Alfang]

Hey Uptown, where did you get the mounting rings for the single pups? those look nice and I need a pair.

on another note: the other day I changed out a pickguard and pups ( removed some EMG's and put in some pups with character) Got it all together , pluged it in and realized I forgot to wire in the volume knob.

The pups with character by the way are Kens roadhouse pups, the guitar sounds amazing, and I can't put it down.
That is, I can't stop playen it.

http://www.roadhousepickups.com/      I think I got the tripple crown and 2 roadhouse specials

 

[Cagey]

Single coil pickup rings are as common as dirt. You can get them here, or more reasonably here, or here, among other places. There are even some outspoken versions such as these...

You've heard of Google, right? <grin>

 

[rapfohl09]

Beautiful, can't wait to see it finished!

Although I will say, I hope that it was at least an ugly piece of BK :laughing7:

 

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Thanks all  :icon_biggrin:

Cheers Cagey  :icon_thumright:  ….. Yep pup rings from Stewmac .. http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Hardware,_parts/Electric_guitar:_Covers_plates/Metal_Mounting_Rings_for_Single-coil_Pickups.html?actn=100101&xst=3&xsr=163232
Or here ... http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/covers_metalringsstrat.htm
I've used before on other builds.

Yeah Yeah Yeah I know, shoot me for painting over BK ……  :evil4:
I presume & hope they picked out something 'Not so good looking' as they knew it would be painted.
Went for Black Korina Chambered for some different tonal woods, as I have Mahogany etc etc etc.

:icon_scratch: I'm a little concerned at this point, if the Neck is going to be to heavy for this Body. (hope not)
But will have to wait till it's on 1st thou.

Let ya know ….

Oh Yeah this build is a brother for this one .... http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=17679.0

 

[Cagey]

Yeah Yeah Yeah I know, shoot me for painting over BK ……  :evil4:
I presume & hope they picked out something 'Not so good looking' as they knew it would be painted.
Went for Black Korina Chambered for some different tonal woods, as I have Mahogany etc etc etc.

:icon_scratch: I'm a little concerned at this point, if the Neck is going to be to heavy for this Body. (hope not)

I don't fault you for it.

Back about 100 years ago when I was just a white punk on dope, building hot rods out of perfectly good cars was a common pastime. Once in a while, somebody with some sense would build what we called a "sleeper". That is, a car that looked like grandma's Sunday-go-to-meetin' car, but had a beastie under the hood, along with other various modifications to make it into a Zombie Woof in sheep's clothing. You'd line up at the light on Telegraph Road, take some sass from a POS Dodge Duster driver who thought he had the world by the short and curlies, then blow his doors off with your seemingly benign sedan.

Too much fun - more so with a hot chick sittin' across the bench seat just panting at the danger... <grin>

Now that I'm old and decrepit, I sorta equate finished exotic woods with those old sleepers. Nobody knows what you have, so they dismiss you. Then, you get to wankin' and crankin' and it's like... Whoa, Nellie! 

Incidentally, don't worry about the neck weight. That body style will support anything you put on it without punishment.

 

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Only worry I had was the body is chambered & feels pretty light, where as the neck feels heavy.
Will try out tomorrow anyway.  :toothy10:

OH Man Cagey, you just took me down memory lane.

Know exactly what you mean as we too did the same things with cars …. back then.
I reckon we even listened / brought up with the similar music scene, even thou we're on opposite sides of this little panet called Earth.
Arhh … the Tubes, Zappa they where the days.
Just made me go though some Tubes stuff again  :icon_thumright: ....

Hey …. Cagey DON'T call yourself 'old & decrepit' ……. I'm your age too.  :icon_biggrin:

Some of the best music / bands (and other things) was around in our younger years ...... 60's, 70's, 80's  :icon_thumright:

 

[Cagey]

Only worry I had was the body is chambered & feels pretty light, where as the neck feels heavy.

Not to worry. I've got a couple fiddles set up here that are that way, and it's not an issue. The most extreme case would be the White Strat, which is some super-light Swamp Ash - I think the body only weighs a little over 3 pounds - and I put a Warmoth Pro Ebony over Pau Ferro neck with Schaller mini-lockers on it. That is a heavy neck. The dual-action truss rod, the dense wood, the lockers... I mean, even just pulling it out of the box you could feel that it was unusual. But, it's all good. No imbalance, no neck dive. It's the strap's forward tie point on the body's upper horn that lets you get away with it, and you've got that on the Soloist as well. Maybe even more so.

As to the hot rods... I sorta feel sorry for the kids coming up these days. Not a whole lot you can do to modern cars without rendering them useless. Some guys defy convention and waste time/money by over-clocking their computers, but it's hardly the same thing. Doesn't really get the chicks panting... <grin>

 

[tfarny]

Neck heaviness is only an issue on guitars where the forward strap button is south of the 14th fret or so - think tele, SG, and there is no counterbalance like the wings of a V to offset that. Yours won't be an issue.

 

[swarfrat]

Neck heaviness is only an issue on guitars where the forward strap button is south of the 14th fret or so - think tele, SG, and there is no counterbalance like the wings of a V to offset that. Yours won't be an issue.

Glad you pointed out the V counterbalancing. I'd discounted a baritone V simply because I figured it would be so neck heavy as to be impractical.

 

[tfarny]

Neck heaviness is only an issue on guitars where the forward strap button is south of the 14th fret or so - think tele, SG, and there is no counterbalance like the wings of a V to offset that. Yours won't be an issue.

Glad you pointed out the V counterbalancing. I'd discounted a baritone V simply because I figured it would be so neck heavy as to be impractical.

I haven't owned a V, so I'm just speculamating = talking out me arse.
I'm discovering that a standard scale guitar with 13-56 strings makes a perfectly fine b to b guitar once you get it intonated right, however. I have a tele  set up that way now and I enjoy it more than I did my bari experiments due to the famiarity issue. A to A ability is cool to have, and you might need a long scale for that, but you might as well get a bass at that point.

 

[swarfrat]

I'm not so much interested in B-B or A-A as I am a 28.625" scale length Eb or maaaaybe D strung 0.10-0.52.

 

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This was my 1st custom build body that I ordered last year.
(usually I jump on showcase items) ... like the Stunning showcase neck for this build.

It's together  :blob7:  only just done, except for Custom Dougie Neckplate.


When I get that, will post full completed pic's in the Finished section
(it's just not complete without a Dougie plate)  :icon_biggrin:

1st up … Neck all good, is just slightly neck heavier feel than my similar guitar build the Black Quilt Strat
http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=17679.0
That one was a solid Alder body, this one is Chambered BK, thats the difference I believe. As the necks are similar too.

2nd up … Quiet as, a dead mouse !!  …. I mean there is NO interference noise, from my wiring I used.

Still bedding in and have to fine tune pup heights etc. (to late & I'm stuffed) wheres my pillow ....

Anyway ....
Everything went together perfectly, very happy with myself once again.  :icon_biggrin:
Can't wait to get some outdoor pic's  :toothy10:

Feels great  :guitarplayer2:  sounds great  arty07:  looks bloody great.  :glasses9:

Who can guess the name I'm giving it ?    :doh:

Some teaser shots and pic's of how my day went …  :laughing7:

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