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"absolutely black strat" project

blackofe

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i need your help, guys. i wanna build a guitar for myself. it's not gonna be a project from scratch - i won't be sawing, shaving, drilling and i'd like to avoid painting and clearcoating. but it means anyways some work with screwdrivers, soldering and probably something else.

i see there are many good guitar builders here, that create pieces of art. i'm not one of them. i'm just a guitar lover, that decided.. well, make something "with a little help from my hands". and i hope - from my friends, i.e. from you.

if it's ok, i'll continue. and let's saint fender be with us!
 
Don't worry about not doing it from scratch.  My firstfirst guitar was all warmoth parts and it was tons of fun. Plus you learn a lot about guitars putting one together. Deffinitely an experience worth having.
 
Danuda said:
My firstfirst guitar was all warmoth parts and it was tons of fun. Plus you learn a lot about guitars putting one together. Deffinitely an experience worth having.

Same here.  There's definitely quite a bit to learn just from putting it together...more than I realized actually.
 
thanks guys! so, let's start ;)

uh.. once upon a time i was very impressed with a none more black strat.

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however i found out, that only a limited amount of these strats was produced by fender in 2005. from time to time they appear on ebay. i've decided to create one by myself, using parts.

i love the color black, although it's a different story. and we know samples of famous black guitars: david gilmour's black strat, eric clapton's blackie, john mayer's black1, etc. besides, we have the b.b.king's black lucille, john 5's black squier tele, and so on.

no, i'm not a goth, i've never watched "twilight", and i don't play trash or death metal - i prefer blues and good old hard rock. but i prefer the color black as a color.

so my guitar will black as much as possible. black is not a goal critically, but a direction.
 
second thought - it's gonna be a fender branded stratocaster.. well.. with some modifications. like gilmour's black strat. it experienced a lot of improvements, changes, part replacements, but it's remaining a fender guitar with some touch of gilmour's genius and phil taylor's help.

a fender '57 RI stratocaster was chosen as a start point with the following specs:

body
· wood: alder
· finish: black, Nitrocellulose Lacquer
· pickguard: 8-hole vintage
neck
· wood: maple
· shape: V-shape
· frets: vintage style
· fretboard radius: 7.25"
· finish: clear, Nitrocellulose Lacquer
· nut width: 1.65"
· neck plate: 4-болтовое vintage
· tross rod: original vintage style
electronics
· pickups: S/S/S
· bridge: American Vintage Strat® Single-Coil Pickup
· middle: American Vintage Strat® Single-Coil Pickup
· neck: American Vintage Strat® Single-Coil Pickup
· pickup switching: 3-position blade (5-position one is included)
hardware chrome
· bridge: six point American Vintage Synchronized Tremolo
· tuners: Vintage Style Tuning Machines
· string nut: synthetic bone

i've bought this guitar in a guitar center store.
 

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next step: i was going to replace all non black parts as much as possible, and make some other modifications.

first thing to replace is the neck.the original one is not black, v-shape, completelly clearcoated and has vintage skinny frets. i was going to order a new neck on warmoth.com. i was thinking, and comparing different specs, and thinking again and have come in result to the specs:

CategoryOption
HeadstockStratocasterR
ConstructionTotal Vintage
OrientationRight Handed
Shaft WoodMaple
Fingerboard WoodEbony
Nut Width1 5/8"
Back ContourStandard thin
FretwireSS6105 (Stainless)
Tuner reamVintage Style (11/32")
Mounting OptionsStandard 4 Bolt
Fret Number21
RadiusStraight 7.25" (vintage)
InlaysNo Inlay,Side Dots Only
Nut InstallBlack Corian
Neck FinishClear Gloss
Scale25-1/2 in.

and i've added a note:

I'd like the neck to be finished in black - totally, including the head and the back side (obviously, excluding the ebony fingerboard). I wasn't sure, which finish option to select, so I've selected "Clear Gloss". And I was told, that I need to specify the color in the Notes. So I'm specifying: THE NECK MUST BE PAINTED IN BLACK WHOLLY, FULLY, ENTIRELY, TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY. Thank you.

i hoped, warmoth would understand me properly ;).
 
with the neck i've ordered on warmoth.com some hardware to replace the original:

String T Retainer for Guitar Black
Gotoh Vintage Tuners, Set of 6 Left Side, Black
Vintage 6 Hole Tremolo, Black
Standard Strap Buttons, Pair, Black
Recessed Top Jack Plate, Black
Pickguard Screw, Dozen, Black
Neck Screw, Set of 4, Black

i wanted to replace the neck plate, too, but it's the only place, having a serial number visible. so i've decided leave it as it is - to keep the "family tree".
 

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well, it was an introductory part. from this point i start asking questions.

1. which potential issues may i face, replacing the neck with a new warmoth one?

2. did i select correct neck options and right hardware - tuners and a retainer?

3. when i replace the neck, i'm going to add some pictures on the body and, probably, on the neck head. and i'll ask you, how to do it. ;)

thanks to all!
 
You're not going to have any issues replacing the neck. It should drop right in.

As far as construction options, those are up to you. I can't imagine being happy with vintage tuners of any type, or with a 7.5" radius, but that's just me. I would do Schaller mini-lockers and a compound radius, if it was mine to do. The mini-lockers are a high-performance part, and you won't have the fretting-out issues with a compound radius that you will with something as tight as a 7.5" part.

I don't know what to tell you about adding pictures. It seems to me like that would wreck the whole vibe of the guitar, but again, that's just me. I outgrew stickers long before I even got out of grade school 100 years ago. I leave that sort of thing up to the Pokémon collectors and Dreamhouse Barbie types <grin>
 
Cagey, thanks for the comments.

i've seen some clips on youtube - a guy was building a guitar with warmoth parts. and i remember, he was making some adjustment for the neck: tuner holes, the neck bottom, and some stuff i didn't undestand. hopefully i'll just need to tune everything correctly.

about radius and the other. i wanted to keep.. the spirit of vintage. thus i stick with 7.5" radius, 21 frets and "total vintage". however, i've been playing with the original '57 RI neck, and found out, that couple things were uncomfortable to me: the gloss finished fingerboard and the skinny vintage frets. the new neck has an ebony fingerboard (i.e. it's unfinished) and middle size stainless frets. it's not vintage a little bit, but i need a work horse - not just a museum exhibit.

the same thing about tuners. gotoh vintage tuners look pretty similar to the current "RI" tuners. and btw, they work perfectly. may be someday i'll want to try set of Kluson® tuning machines. i've read, that klusons were used on the very first strats by fender. i'm just not sure, if they fit to the gotoh-ready holes.. but we'll see.

then i've heard, that compound radius makes maintenance of frets (polishing, replacing) difficult. and the current 7.5" neck is good for me. the only complain - soft-v shape. c-shape is mush better.

pictures. the guitar is gonna look very black ;). i want to use it as a background for some visual idea. i want to name this guitar "blackofe" - kinda "black coffee". it makes some sense to me. so i'd like it look like a black.. coffee table with coffee cups, stains, beans, spoons. well, something like that ;).
 
blackofe said:
next step: i was going to replace all non black parts as much as possible, and make some other modifications.

first thing to replace is the neck.the original one is not black, v-shape, completelly clearcoated and has vintage skinny frets. i was going to order a new neck on warmoth.com. i was thinking, and comparing different specs, and thinking again and have come in result to the specs:

CategoryOption
HeadstockStratocasterR
ConstructionTotal Vintage
OrientationRight Handed
Shaft WoodMaple
Fingerboard WoodEbony
Nut Width1 5/8"
Back ContourStandard thin
FretwireSS6105 (Stainless)
Tuner reamVintage Style (11/32")
Mounting OptionsStandard 4 Bolt
Fret Number21
RadiusStraight 7.25" (vintage)
InlaysNo Inlay,Side Dots Only
Nut InstallBlack Corian
Neck FinishClear Gloss
Scale25-1/2 in.

and i've added a note:

I'd like the neck to be finished in black - totally, including the head and the back side (obviously, excluding the ebony fingerboard). I wasn't sure, which finish option to select, so I've selected "Clear Gloss". And I was told, that I need to specify the color in the Notes. So I'm specifying: THE NECK MUST BE PAINTED IN BLACK WHOLLY, FULLY, ENTIRELY, TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY. Thank you.

i hoped, warmoth would understand me properly ;).

Welcome to the board. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to build a great guitar. You just need a good idea and some cash helps too.  :)

Look at my signature below. That's the very first guitar I ever built and I think I did ok.

If you want some advice... get what YOU want or what YOU think would be cool. Who gives a rat's a** if Fender uses
vintage tuners or a 7.5" radius? IMHO, both of those options are a hindrance and detriment to a modern guitar. One of
the many, many reasons to get a Warmoth neck is the compound radius. But, its your guitar, so get what what YOU
want - that's the whole point of having a custom axe to begin with! Just never think "I can't do that, Fender doesn't do
that, therefore it must be bad" it's utter nonsense.

:rock-on:
 
blackofe said:
Cagey, thanks for the comments.

i've seen some clips on youtube - a guy was building a guitar with warmoth parts. and i remember, he was making some adjustment for the neck: tuner holes, the neck bottom, and some stuff i didn't undestand. hopefully i'll just need to tune everything correctly.

Warmoth necks are as close to perfect as anything I've ever seen. If you saw somebody adjusting tuner holes, heels, etc., they were probably trying to fit tuners that the neck wasn't drilled for on a neck that wasn't appropriate for the body style. The only adjustment they ever need is to set the relief as they're shipped basically flat, and you may want to dress the fret ends, although many guys don't bother. Depends what you like.

blackofe said:
about radius and the other. i wanted to keep.. the spirit of vintage. thus i stick with 7.5" radius, 21 frets and "total vintage". however, i've been playing with the original '57 RI neck, and found out, that couple things were uncomfortable to me: the gloss finished fingerboard and the skinny vintage frets. the new neck has an ebony fingerboard (i.e. it's unfinished) and middle size stainless frets. it's not vintage a little bit, but i need a work horse - not just a museum exhibit.

The "spirit" of vintage is one thing, to actually use a vintage design is another. Improvements have been made to guitar design over the years for good reasons. Very tight radii preclude the ability to stretch strings, which limits your ability to play a lot of styles. 21 frets is ok, I've never seen much of a need to go past that anyway. Finished 'boards are generally limited to Maple 'boards. Tiny frets are make it tough to control your strings, and nickel-silver wears too quickly, a deficiency exacerbated by small gauges. So, you skip the Maple, do the compound 'board and use stainless frets. Solves all those problems, and takes nothing away from a "vintage" appearance.

blackofe said:
the same thing about tuners. gotoh vintage tuners look pretty similar to the current "RI" tuners. and btw, they work perfectly. may be someday i'll want to try set of Kluson® tuning machines. i've read, that klusons were used on the very first strats by fender. i'm just not sure, if they fit to the gotoh-ready holes.. but we'll see.

I don't care what tuners look like, they have to work, and reliably. So, again, you stay away from vintage designs. Old tuners sucked. Worst of the lot? Klusons. The only tuners worse than Klusons are the old Chinese copies of Klusons. Either way, kukka.

You want lockers of some sort, and the best of the lot are the Schallers, closely followed by the Sperzels and Planet Waves offerings. They have high ratios so they stay put, have little or no backlash, and you don't have to wind up a bunch of string on them to keep the string from slipping. All those winds unwind sporadically, which leads to inconsistent tuning, particularly if you have a vibrato bridge.

blackofe said:
then i've heard, that compound radius makes maintenance of frets (polishing, replacing) difficult. and the current 7.5" neck is good for me. the only complain - soft-v shape. c-shape is mush better.

That a compound radius makes maintenance or replacement of frets difficult is a vicious myth propagated by Luddites. Past that, polishing/replacing is almost unheard of if you use stainless frets. The things last forever and hold their shape while doing so, so they're essentially maintenance-free.

blackofe said:
pictures. the guitar is gonna look very black ;). i want to use it as a background for some visual idea. i want to name this guitar "blackofe" - kinda "black coffee". it makes some sense to me. so i'd like it look like a black.. coffee table with coffee cups, stains, beans, spoons. well, something like that ;).

I understand the desire for a "blacker than black" guitar. I built my first Tele that way, although I ended up changing the neck out for something with a Kingwood 'board rather than the Ebony. It just looks better, to my eye. But, I liked it all black, too. Still, that Kingwood is sweet. Couldn't help myself <grin>

I'm not trying to talk you out of anything; ultimately you're the one who has to play the thing, so whatever is the most comfortable in both appearance and playability is what you should put together. I'm just putting forth a bit of what I've learned over the years.
 
Cagey, i really appreciate your help. probably, if i meet this place earlier, i could go another way, but for now i'm gonna have, what i already did.

i can just say, that it may happen a sickness. and tasting once, i couldn't stop, and the next one will be... i don't know yet.  :glasses9:
 
To paraphrase that old Lay's Potato Chip commercial - no one can build just one. No matter what you do, it'll end up nice and you'll wanna do it again. Some of us find ourselves pawing through the Showcase almost the minute the last one is done, if not sooner <grin>
 
Cagey said:
To paraphrase that old Lay's Potato Chip commercial - no one can build just one. No matter what you do, it'll end up nice and you'll wanna do it again. Some of us find ourselves pawing through the Showcase almost the minute the last one is done, if not sooner <grin>
agreed.

but for now i'm in front of my first project. hope i'll do it right.
 
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