Death by Uberschall
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hannaugh said:
"But these ones go to 11!!" :headbang1:
The OFFICIAL: "You know your HERO bands are on the way down when,......" THREAD
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"But these ones go to 11!!" :headbang1:
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hannaugh said:
Yeah, but Metallica made a funnier mockumentary.
What? :icon_scratch: The Metallica film was a serious doco. Oh dear...... :sad: :tard:
I think that's gotta be the point when a hero band is on the way down. They make a doco about themselves & try to explain their music as art or some other higher cerebral experience, or flaunt their wealth by showing them selling artworks, while at the same time trying to sue the ass out of a network of fans, and a software developer, who swap their music on the net using a *certain* type of software. (hello Lars :toothy11: ).
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You know your hero band (caugh, caugh... The Hold Steady) is on the way down when.....they open for Dave Mathews Band on summer tour.
It was fun while it lasted.
Anyone who was at the old Stone Pony show back in the day knows what I mean.
It was fun while it lasted.
Anyone who was at the old Stone Pony show back in the day knows what I mean.
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In my mind, a great band is on its way out when they stop thriving on the desperation of needing to make music for music's sake. Too much forethought = an equation... not an expression of the soul.
Punk's not dead, and anyone who thinks that it is or that it "all sounds the same" is choosing to be ignorant. There's a lot of garbage out there, but listen to NoMeansNo or NOFX. It's not meant to be easily digested or commercial, but it's amazing.
p.s. I will end this post by quoting one of my favorite punk bands ever. First, I'll laugh at the internet and point out that all these flames are weaksauce. Some of you need to lose the attitudes (and I'm not talking about the obvious boring troll) and let this forum be about sharing and growth and not about you having something obnoxious to say like there's only one musical truth or like you know 100% of what's up at age 12, haha. Anyway, back to a message from today's sponsor:
"All I know is that I don't know nothing."
-Mark
Punk's not dead, and anyone who thinks that it is or that it "all sounds the same" is choosing to be ignorant. There's a lot of garbage out there, but listen to NoMeansNo or NOFX. It's not meant to be easily digested or commercial, but it's amazing.
p.s. I will end this post by quoting one of my favorite punk bands ever. First, I'll laugh at the internet and point out that all these flames are weaksauce. Some of you need to lose the attitudes (and I'm not talking about the obvious boring troll) and let this forum be about sharing and growth and not about you having something obnoxious to say like there's only one musical truth or like you know 100% of what's up at age 12, haha. Anyway, back to a message from today's sponsor:
"All I know is that I don't know nothing."
-Mark
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Vol. Knob said:
Don't know that I'd agree 100% with that. I'm no punk aficionado, but I would posit that the big names of the genre-Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Ramones-were all very different. I also believe that the real punk movement was a flash in the pan, and imho Black Flag was the last true punk band. This crap that gets trotted out as punk today (Good Charlotte comes to mind) is as far removed from punk as Kenny G is from jazz. Hell, Avril Lavigne and Pink were marketed as punk to the idiot under-25 crowd that doesn't remember what punk was all about.
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Luke said:
Yeah, I just shake my head now... wtf happened? hahahahaha
Luke said:
OMG that's amazingly funny. I'm wearing an *actual* Black Flag shirt at the moment. As an undershirt. Under my shirt and tie. Also funny as hell.
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Awesome.
But the REAL question is...Dez or Henry?
Wasn't there a big deal when Hank took vocals, a sell out? :doh:
Black Flag is a GREAT example of what I'm talking about. They changed constantly and always progressed. Now OBVIOUSLY it's not music for everyone, and it can sound the same from the outside, but the changes re-enforced the power and legacy of the band.
Often the very rigidity that defines a genre can be its coffin walls. Again I use Slayer, because they are so proud of never changing.
On the other hand, you have Pantera, who SAID they'd never change, but did.
I stick by my statement. As far I have seen, a band is really slipping when they just repeat themselves. Music is a creative art, and evolution is VITAL to the continued relvance of a band.
But on the other hand, being different for the sake of being wierd is just...wierd.
Awesome! I do that SH** all the time! :guitarplayer2:
But the REAL question is...Dez or Henry?
Wasn't there a big deal when Hank took vocals, a sell out? :doh:
Black Flag is a GREAT example of what I'm talking about. They changed constantly and always progressed. Now OBVIOUSLY it's not music for everyone, and it can sound the same from the outside, but the changes re-enforced the power and legacy of the band.
Often the very rigidity that defines a genre can be its coffin walls. Again I use Slayer, because they are so proud of never changing.
On the other hand, you have Pantera, who SAID they'd never change, but did.
I stick by my statement. As far I have seen, a band is really slipping when they just repeat themselves. Music is a creative art, and evolution is VITAL to the continued relvance of a band.
But on the other hand, being different for the sake of being wierd is just...wierd.
AprioriMark said:
Awesome! I do that SH** all the time! :guitarplayer2:
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Max said:
Surprised it took so long for someone to react to that comment.
I don't mean that everyone under 25 is an idiot, but there is a large segment of the record-buying public (not dating myself there, am I?) that IS under 25 and will go for anything thrown at them as long as it is marketed under a certain label. It's been that way for a long time. It's why doo-wop got lumped in with rock and roll in the nostalgic psyche of a generation.
I'm pretty amazed that anyone would still have the desire to become a punk after the first few years. I mean, when it started, the only rule was "be anti-establishment". But after a while everyone started throwing the "poser" word around and being a punk turned into this unattainable thing. I think it's all summed up by the Freaks and Geeks quote: "You know what punkers don't do? Call themselves punkers." The rest of the episode involves one of the main characters being super paranoid that he is a poser because he only recently started listening to punk and dressing punkish. I just can't imagine spending that much time getting your mohawk just right and then thinking "Does my hair make me a poser?" on a daily basis.
I'm in favor of listening to the music that you like and not caring who else listens to it or let it define you as being part of some scene. Being yourself is way more fun.
I'm in favor of listening to the music that you like and not caring who else listens to it or let it define you as being part of some scene. Being yourself is way more fun.
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hannaugh said:
Being a scenester is always stupid, no matter what the scene might be. Some of us actually understand what it means, and if you think there were ever rules at all, let alone only one "in the beginning," you just don't get it. I'm not saying that to be exclusive or whatever, it's just true. It's also not a judgment of you personally. I don't claim that "punk" is good or better than your understanding; just that making that statement means you didn't get it. There was never a hard and fast rule for what "punk" was (or what it meant to be "punk" oneself). It's a non-dialectic experience, much like the concept of "quality" (nod to you Robert Pirsig fans).
I have my own opinions about what it means, but that really only matters to me and to the people close to me... which is sort of the point.
-Mark
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I explored BossaNova Punk for a bit back in the day, but soon after I discovered
Samba, as the rhythm component to Punk, fit in much better. Or, at least it
sounded good to us on our home organ...
Samba, as the rhythm component to Punk, fit in much better. Or, at least it
sounded good to us on our home organ...
AprioriMark said:Being a scenester is always stupid, no matter what the scene might be. Some of us actually understand what it means, and if you think there were ever rules at all, let alone only one "in the beginning," you just don't get it. I'm not saying that to be exclusive or whatever, it's just true. It's also not a judgment of you personally. I don't claim that "punk" is good or better than your understanding; just that making that statement means you didn't get it. There was never a hard and fast rule for what "punk" was (or what it meant to be "punk" oneself). It's a non-dialectic experience, much like the concept of "quality" (nod to you Robert Pirsig fans).
I have my own opinions about what it means, but that really only matters to me and to the people close to me... which is sort of the point.
-Mark
AMEN! No Offense, ok. :rock-on:
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