Schaller 3801 Vintage Tremolo

[Bruno]

Features

    * Model: Steel Plate
    * Tremolo-Block (mm): 32/37/42
    * Options: Right-Hand only
    * Measurements l x w x h (mm): 93,5x39,5x8,5
    * Weight g/item: 415
    * 74.3mm lock distance
    * 10.7mm string distance

Pdf http://guitar-tremolo.com/download/C1ffcfe16X12a3c9b7ea7X86/TZ_TremoloSystem_VintageTremolo.pdf

***Like*** a Floyd Rose Trem without locking nut ?
I don't know, I never see it...

And you?

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

Looks like a tuning nightmare, but a nice looking, simple tuning nightmare at that.

 

[AutoBat]

i can see how it's like a floyd rose. it's got the same arm! :laughing11:

 

[Bruno]

you've read what is not written and see what you don't see...
:laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3:

Ok seriously, this tremolo bridge  has the same *wheelbase* of the floyd rose, same size ect. (always that I'ven't read wrong  :tard,

 

[Cagey]

i can see how it's like a floyd rose. it's got the same arm! :laughing11:

Hehe! Yeah, they're like identical cousins <grin>

But, seriously, it's a nice design. All the good points of a Wilkinson, but with roller saddles and none of the bad points of a Floyd. I'd use one, if I could find one. But, you know Schaller. They've got a ton of great stuff you can't get here in the US very easily.

 

[Bruno]

*74.3mm lock distance* like a Schaller Floyd Rose
:binkybaby:

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

If it's supposed to be a floyd rose like vibrato, just without the locking saddles and fine tuning, it should still be able to 'divebomb', wouldn't it?

 

[Bruno]

I think...I hope  :icon_thumright:

I am interested in this tremolo, because I think the Floyd Rose (not the low-profile) is uncomfortable for me
(I play placing right hand on top, in practice over tremolo).

 

[Bruno]

But, seriously, it's a nice design. All the good points of a Wilkinson, but with roller saddles and none of the bad points of a Floyd. I'd use one, if I could find one. But, you know Schaller. They've got a ton of great stuff you can't get here in the US very easily.

I have not this tremolo yet but I'm thinking which trem rout I must choose (only showcase bodies).
I think Floyd no-recessed without ang/pocket but it's not possible
(why not? I don't understand why this's not possible...)

 

[Cagey]

But, seriously, it's a nice design. All the good points of a Wilkinson, but with roller saddles and none of the bad points of a Floyd. I'd use one, if I could find one. But, you know Schaller. They've got a ton of great stuff you can't get here in the US very easily.

I have not this tremolo yet but I'm thinking which trem rout I must choose (only showcase bodies).
I think Floyd no-recessed without ang/pocket but it's not possible
(why not? I don't understand why this's not possible...)

I finally got mine, but it's chrome. I wanted black, but you have to jump through a lot of hoops and order them from Germany, so they're tough to get. Since it's the most expensive piece of hardware on the guitar and I already have a set of chrome Schaller mini-lockers (the second most expensive part), I just changed the hardware finish scheme.

As for the angled neck pocket - a typical Floyd Rose vibrato is a tall bridge. There's a lot of mechanical gimcrackery involved. It's like putting a scale model of the Eiffel Tower where a bridge should be. So, you have to angle the neck back a bit to get the proper string height, otherwise the strings will be too high on the fretboard. Because of that, Warmoth angles the pocket automatically with a flush Floyd bridge route. 99.9% of the time, that's the correct thing to do.

The Schaller 3801 isn't that tall. In fact, it's as short as a typical hardtail if you set it up so it'll only dive. So, you don't need the angled neck pocket. But, you'll have to call Warmoth to order it that way.

 

[Bruno]

The Schaller 3801 isn't that tall. In fact, it's as short as a typical hardtail if you set it up so it'll only dive. So, you don't need the angled neck pocket. But, you'll have to call Warmoth to order it that way.

Certainly, as I wrote
But why I can't choose no-recessed floyd without ang/pocket between various trem rout in shocase options? What's the problem in your opinion?




p.s:
I've a body and neck warmoth (bridge rout: no-recessed with ang/pocket - schaller FR -).
In my case and only in my limited experience angle is not very precise. I had *finish* it personally (works fine now) as well as I had buy a thick steel to raise height's nut.
Frivolous perhaps, but accuracy is everything  :icon_thumright:

 

[Cagey]

why I can't choose no-recessed floyd without ang/pocket between various trem rout in shocase options? What's the problem in your opinion?

You probably can get what you want. But, it is not going to be an option in the body builder because it is so far out of the ordinary. You will have to call them, so that everyone is clear about what you are ordering. A non-angled neck pocket would be very unusual for a Floyd-routed bridge setup, and if you order the wrong thing they won't accept a return. So, it's up to you to be sure you get it right.

The people at Warmoth are very good at what they do. It is highly unlikely they would let you order something that will not work. So, when you ask for something that seems wrong, they're going to question it. That's a Good Thing. It keeps everybody happy.

So, call them. Or, if you're concerned about your English-speaking skills, have somebody who is more familiar with the language call them. Nobody will laugh at you. People from all over the world order from Warmoth, so they're accustomed to it.

 

[Bruno]

all true but ...
If I don't have angled neck pocket, I can do it later (just a very little piece of wood/metal  under the heel of the neck).
I don't think that having an extra option mislead anyone

Then Warmoth people are great, this is ascertained and it is good to repeat !!!

 

[Cagey]

all true but ...
If I don't have angled neck pocket, I can do it later (just a very little piece of wood/metal  under the heel of the neck).
I don't think that having an extra option mislead anyone

Then Warmoth people are great, this is ascertained and it is good to repeat !!!

I can't speak for Warmoth, but I know from other manufacturing situations I've been involved with that if you give somebody a 50/50 chance for success, they'll screw it up 90% of the time. So, it's better to protect people from themselves, which ends up protecting your own interests.

Also, Fender's misguided experiment with "micro-tilt neck adjustment" notwithstanding, shimming the neck isn't a great idea. You don't want that joint to be anything but tight or you risk losing sustain.

 

[Bruno]

So, it's better to protect people from themselves, which ends up protecting your own interests. 

:toothy11:

Ultimately, I think you're right

 

[B3Guy]

do the saddles on this badboy lock down?

 

[Cagey]

No.

 

[B3Guy]

Isn't that the main "good point" of a wilkie? (besides a blade pivot, which many other bridges have)

 

[Cagey]

I don't know if I'd call it the "main" good point of a Wilkinson, but it's certainly a desirable feature. On the other hand, the Schaller has roller saddles.

Now, if you like the idea of locking saddles that also have hardened steel rollers, you can get a set of six of them for the Wilkinson at Guitar Fetish for $15...

This is probably the best way to go, considering the oddball stud centerlines and difficulty in obtaining the Schaller part.

 

[Bruno]

When you install this tremolo?