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kboman said:
Super Turbo Deluxe Custom said:
Who in Zep is replaceable?

The music :P

But seriously, this is a matter of taste. Let's not start an argument here :)

kboman - when I read your posts about music it seems like it's mostly about what you don't like. just sayin'
 
GoDrex said:
kboman said:
Super Turbo Deluxe Custom said:
Who in Zep is replaceable?

The music :P

But seriously, this is a matter of taste. Let's not start an argument here :)

kboman - when I read your posts about music it seems like it's mostly about what you don't like. just sayin'

Huh. I'll keep that in mind. I assure you I'm quite the opposite in real life! :)

Part of it is that I don't take kindly to being automatically included in other people's opinions (this has to do with childhood and all that stuff) - for example, that as a guitarist I must play/like/have special respect for blues music, or in this case LZ. It really offends me - and not much can do that - so I guess I can get touchy about it. Nb: It's not the opinions themselves that get to me. As long as it involves consenting adults and no one gets hurt, anyone can enjoy anything as far as I'm concerned!

Also, I can't resist a one liner.
 
Not that I mind talking about the various decade's music icons, but wasn't this thread supposed to be about rack gear?
 
Cagey said:
Not that I mind talking about the various decade's music icons, but wasn't this thread supposed to be about rack gear?
I just found myself thinking the same thing.

Let me try to steer it back that way.
Rack tuners are awesome :icon_thumright:
 
Cagey said:
Not that I mind talking about the various decade's music icons, but wasn't this thread supposed to be about rack gear?

I had the same thought when I saw this thread had been updated.

Your setup looks cool Cagey, would you mind takings us through it?
 
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Not at all. From top to bottom in the electronics rack:


The 1x12 ATA speaker cabinets I built. They're made of 3/4" 11-ply birch, covered with .040" ABS plastic, aluminum extruded edge protection, SS corners, removable casters and rubber feet. One has a WGS Veteran 30 speaker, the other has a WGS British Lead. The cabinets are sealed (closed back), and have matching front covers so you can kick the little rascals around in transport. Very sturdy units.

The whole package sounds pretty good, I think. Everybody who's heard it thinks so, too. But, you know how that is. One man's angelic choir is another man's demonic wailing <grin>
 
Cagey said:
The whole package sounds pretty good, I think. Everybody who's heard it thinks so, too. But, you know how that is. One man's angelic choir is another man's demonic wailing <grin>

Indeed! How is it patched? And how/for what do you use the Lexicon and the T1952?
 
kboman said:
Indeed! How is it patched? And how/for what do you use the Lexicon and the T1952?

The Lexicon unit is all time-domain effects such as reverb, chorus, flange, and delay, which are about the only effects I use. So, I put that in the effects loop of the modeller, and bypass the V-amp's internal effects. The V-amp's effects don't sound bad, but they're not as good as the Lexicon and a pain in the ass to adjust. So, I use the amp modelling features of the V-amp, and the Lexicon for effects. That feeds the tube compressor/expander/gate, which warms it up a bit and in turn feeds the power amp, which is also tube (EL-34) based. The whole thing is controlled by an FCB-1010 midi controller board...

FCB1010_P0089_Left2_XL.png

Which has been modified with some after-market firmware to behave more like a bunch of stomp boxes than a midi board.
 
Super Turbo Deluxe Custom said:
AprioriMark said:
While I agree that the 70s were awesome for music, I hate almost all of those bands.  Pink Floyd is the exception. 

-Mark

I've never heard of anybody hating Zep.  Unlike a lot of those 70s bands, Zep had no replaceable members.  The Stones could be the Stones with only Mick and "Keef."  Aerosmith just needs Steven Tyler and possibly Joe Perry.  The Beatles could even lose Ringo and nobody would notice.  AC/DC and Van Halen replaced lead singers and still did okay (even better financially) because the band is built around the guitar player.  Who in Zep is replaceable?

I don't care for them much, and aside from the fact that I appreciate some of the musicianship, I find Page's guitar playing uninspired.  More than anything, it bothers me that they so blatantly stole other peoples' music.  When I was younger, I also played in too many 70s cover bands, so I'm just over the bloated drug music scene.

-Mark
 
Cagey said:
kboman said:
Indeed! How is it patched? And how/for what do you use the Lexicon and the T1952?

The Lexicon unit is all time-domain effects such as reverb, chorus, flange, and delay, which are about the only effects I use. So, I put that in the effects loop of the modeller, and bypass the V-amp's internal effects. The V-amp's effects don't sound bad, but they're not as good as the Lexicon and a pain in the ass to adjust. So, I use the amp modelling features of the V-amp, and the Lexicon for effects. That feeds the tube compressor/expander/gate, which warms it up a bit and in turn feeds the power amp, which is also tube (EL-34) based. The whole thing is controlled by an FCB-1010 midi controller board...

FCB1010_P0089_Left2_XL.png

Which has been modified with some after-market firmware to behave more like a bunch of stomp boxes than a midi board.

The FCB1010 is really big in the looping community and has a good rep, though apparently it's quite large and heavy?

I'm still intrigued by the tube unit. When you say "warms it up a bit", what do you mean? Is it just in a neutral setting or does it compress/expand/gate?
 
Here's my rack gear:

WetRig1.jpg


I used this exclusively in the 90's and then once I (really) got into t00b amps in the 2000s, lined out from
my Hotplate into the Quadraverb+B200S+speakers solely for "wet rig" FX.

At one point I replaced the cheap t00bs in the MP-1 with a pair of NOS "chinese silver specials".

Suffice it to say I don't use it at all since getting my MXR Carbon Copy (stomp) for live playing.

I used to think it was the bee's knees (back in the day) with all the tweaking and different tones it could produce,
but upon further examination (in the 2000s) I dusted it off, plugged in and was thoroughly disgusted with the sterile,
dry, uninspiring tone that emanated from the speakers.
 
Superlizard said:
Here's my rack gear:

WetRig1.jpg


I used this exclusively in the 90's and then once I got into t00b amps in the 2000s, lined out from
my Hotplate into the Quadraverb+B200S+speakers solely for "wet rig" FX.

At one point I replaced the cheap t00bs in the MP-1 with a pair of NOS "chinese silver specials".

Suffice it to say I don't use it at all since getting my MXR Carbon Copy (stomp) for live playing.

I used to think it was the bee's knees (back in the day) with all the tweaking and different tones it could produce,
but upon further examination (in the 2000s) I dusted it off, plugged in and was thoroughly disgusted with the sterile,
dry, uninspiring tone that emanated from the speakers.

:o SuperLizard has rack gear!!!  :o

You should check into the mods available for that MP-1. Day and night differences are available.  :icon_thumright:
 
Death by Uberschall said:
:o SuperLizard has rack gear!!!  :o

You should check into the mods available for that MP-1. Day and night differences are available.  :icon_thumright:

Ooo I know the answer to that one! "For a day and night difference I'll just plug into my Marshall". Am I close? :)

(nb - not trying to be a smartass :icon_biggrin:)
 
kboman said:
Death by Uberschall said:
:o SuperLizard has rack gear!!!  :o

You should check into the mods available for that MP-1. Day and night differences are available.  :icon_thumright:

Ooo I know the answer to that one! "For a day and night difference I'll just plug into my Marshall". Am I close? :)

(nb - not trying to be a smartass :icon_biggrin:)
I'm think his real reply will be:

"Do those mods include PTP?"  :icon_jokercolor:
 
kboman said:
The FCB1010 is really big in the looping community and has a good rep, though apparently it's quite large and heavy?

I'm still intrigued by the tube unit. When you say "warms it up a bit", what do you mean? Is it just in a neutral setting or does it compress/expand/gate?

The FCB1010 is roughly 27"x9"x2", so I wouldn't call that "big", but it depends on what you're used to. I think it ends up being smaller than most built-up modular boards that might have 8 or 10 stomp boxes/pedals. It's also only 10 lbs., which I think would be lighter than most boards like I mentioned as well. It's a very robust unit, in any event. Everything is metal but the switch actuators. At 10 lbs, it stays in place even after stomping it repeatedly. You certainly don't want to kick it in your stocking feet, I can say from experience. You'll exercise your entire cuss word vocabulary <grin>

I like that it's consistent. Everything's the same height, the same distance apart and has the same feel. There are no connections to worry about, other than going back to the rack, and that's just a MIDI and a power line.

As for the compressor/expander/gate, I barely use it anymore. I used to do a lot of Satriani stuff some years back, and there are a lot of hammer-ons, pull-offs, slides and grace notes in his tunes that a judicious use of compression/expansion will even out with the picked notes for you. The gate was for the single coils I used at the time. Since the unit has tubes in it, I thought they added the warmth of a bit of harmonic distortion to things that the modeller wouldn't create on its own, but that was probably more wishful thinking and the power of suggestion than anything else. I was running a solid state power amp back then, and now I'm using that TS100, so I'm getting as much tube mojo as I need.
 
Superlizard said:
OTOH, the 70's were it, man.  There was good stuff in every musical genre, and
many a music legend was created then.

There's something we can all agree on.  :occasion14:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRE0VJluvIQ
 
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