Ordered a CR neck 10/16 and an OFR w/ R3 nut -- mistake?

[stratamania]

For Floyd intonation you either need to get something called the Key or even better an Hollow Point Intonation system. Floyd Rose are selling the Hollow Points now on their site, which isn't a bad recommendation for a third party product.

http://youtu.be/Fb7itqXP9Yw

 

[Vallhagen]

For Floyd intonation you either need to get something called the Key or even better an Hollow Point Intonation system. Floyd Rose are selling the Hollow Points now on their site, which isn't a bad recommendation for a third party product.

http://youtu.be/Fb7itqXP9Yw

Sweet. That was new to me!

 

[Cagey]

I would argue that for absolute tuning stability, there is no beating a properly set up double locking system.  Locking the string at both ends cuts out any string variables and you're only dealing with the trem springs to balance string tension.  A lot of these guitars can go months without unlocking the nut, since the tuning will stay well within the range of the fine tuners.

I wouldn't argue with you on that at all. There's no question the system works, and nothing works better. My point is that you can get that same performance without all the rigmarole. I used to argue that you could do it for less money, but that's not entirely true. Locking tuners cost more than the obsolete stuff, and LSR nuts aren't cheap, either. With a Floyd, you pay the $200+ and you're all set. You get the nut in the package and you can use cheap beer can tuners from Kluson if you want, since they're behind the locked nut and their performance isn't an issue. Plus, as has been pointed out, there's a certain cachet to a Floyd installation. They just look cool and their very presence says "Rock 'n' Roll".

 

[Jesse]

Well I went with an LSR nut on the neck that's currently en route to me, so I'm very interested to see how well the system works.  I'm certainly hopeful that it should give really great stability for "Strat-level" bar use.

For Floyd intonation you either need to get something called the Key or even better an Hollow Point Intonation system. Floyd Rose are selling the Hollow Points now on their site, which isn't a bad recommendation for a third party product.

Stew Mac also sells "The Key" for this job.

http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Tools_by_Job/Bridges/The_Key.html

Not that anyone uses the Floyd Rose Pro, but if you do there's a tool that works for that.  Interesting when I googled that it came back with an image of the tool being used on an Ibanez Lo Pro Edge trem, this is the Gotoh equivalent of the FR Pro.

Gotoh's most recent Edge variant, the Edge Zero, incorporates a system sort of like the thing in the video you posted.  You unlock the saddle and it doesn't move, then you screw this thing into the end of the saddle and then turn it in and out to adjust the position, then lock it back down.

The other PITA about Floyd intonation is that if you move the saddles enough, you can change the string tension enough that you need to re-level the trem.

 

[stratamania]

I already mentioned the Key. I think the new Hollow Points look a more elegant solution.

 

[Jesse]

I have one of those tools that they show on an Ibanez trem.  It works well and I like that I put it back with all my tools when I'm done with it rather than leaving it attached to the trem.

 

[vikingred]

All this nut talk.  Well, I love the FR.  It's just built in to the feel of what I've always played.  I don't mind the locking nut and extra PITA of a broken string.  I don't gig so nothing to worry about there.  I appreciate all the opinions. 

I did order the hollow points for intonation, these should be awesome.  I also found a used/excellent shape R4 nut on ebay for cheap which I ordered, just in case the R3 is a fail.  So, I'm ready.  Just waiting for that joyous email from warmoth saying my order has shipped. 

I also ordered the bridge shims so I can get it close to 18" radius.  I want this rig dialed in with the absolute lowest possible action.  Gonna try the setup myself.  I have purchased everything I need, including an elite strobe tuner.  Can't wait to hear how it sounds.  The EMGs are so badass, and I also bought a mini-ipad 2, and some apps called "Positive Grid" Bias and Jam up, which are truly cool.  One is an amp modeling tool.  You can match the sound of tube amps, and all sorts of sounds, adjust the tubes, the bias, the transformer, etc.  And they have a "Tone Cloud" where you can download amp sounds.  For example, I found a matching sound for Metallica Master of Puppets, and it is incredibly close to the sound on the album. 

I can tell this custom ordering from Warmoth is going to get addictive.  I want to build a David Gilmour strat!  Put some Kloppmann pickups in it.  You guys heard of Kloppmann pickups?  Google them, they are insane.

I might also like to get a flat-assed 9.5" straight radius neck, get a full scallop, gold frets, gold hardware, EMG strat pickups.

Late at night, I've build custom guitars on the Warmoth site that are like 2300.00 and I have my finger on the buy trigger and have to say, no, no, no, just one at a time.  Wait for it.  Heh. 

 

[stratamania]

Cool, don't forget we like to see pics.

 

[vikingred]

Will definitely post pics.  I went ahead and ordered a titanium FR block and block shim.  See now, I'm getting ridiculous.  No, ridiculous would be to pay the ~250 for the titanium nut. 

 

[stratamania]

That's a cool part. Titanium,  $250 is for the nut alone ? I guess it makes sense to not keep a selection of sizes lying around in that material

I was having a chat with my dentist about the stuff a while back. It's used for dental implants and medical grade has a high degree of purity, then last week I met someone who had some in their back for spine strengthening. Both people were pleasantly surprised when I mentioned you could get guitar bridges made from it.

I digress back to guitars.

I wonder how much a nut would be in unobtainium ?

 

[vikingred]

Heh.  Well, I ordered the BLACK Floyd Rose, so the titanium block (and block shim) will be out of sight.  If I got the titanium nut, it wouldn't match all the other black hardware.  I also ordered a set of the BLACK and RED special Floyd Rose non-clangy springs.  Not putting a trem cover on the back so it will be bare.  Thinking of two outside black springs, and one inside red spring.  I did also get the titanium claw and springs.  Back may look funny and not match.  May also look weird with the bloodwood.  Oh well.  TONE, MAN.  It's all about da tone.  Money spent on exotic extras makes the damn thing sound better, don't ya'll agree?

 

[stratamania]

I see a custom set of options. Nice. I like the look of those red springs.

The more it costs it's got to have tone  ccasion14:

 

[Cagey]

I wonder how much a nut would be in unobtainium ?

Free, on the utopian planet of Pandora...

Don't even think about it, or I kill you, ok?​

 

[stratamania]

Now that's an unboxing that might not make it to YouTube.  :icon_thumright:

 

[Vallhagen]

That's a cool part. Titanium,  $250 is for the nut alone ? I guess it makes sense to not keep a selection of sizes lying around in that material

I was having a chat with my dentist about the stuff a while back. It's used for dental implants and medical grade has a high degree of purity, then last week I met someone who had some in their back for spine strengthening. Both people were pleasantly surprised when I mentioned you could get guitar bridges made from it.

I digress back to guitars.

I wonder how much a nut would be in unobtainium ?

I have one of those dental implants. Expensive. Makes me sing like a god!

 

[vikingred]

Here is UTOPIA, right here fellas:

Pure titanium everything.  Only $899.

So like, ultimate ultimate would be like:

Chambered Koa Body with Koa Flame laminate, special selection of ultra best stock, gloss finish
Unfinished Pao Ferro neck with Black Ebony fretboard special selection of ultra best stock ebony, full scallop with SS6105 frets
Rear route, black pickup rings, single knurled titanium volume knob, titanium strap buttons, noiseless springs n titanium claw
All screws special order titanium. Special order titanium machine heads, side jack plate, engraved titanium neckplate, etc.
2 x F-Holes
EMG 57 in neck w/ 18v mod.
And, the above pictured Floyd Rose complete titanium.

Anyone dare me to do it?  Triple dog dare?

It would be a TONE MONSTER.  Scare people n stuff.

Like this kinda (but with titanium, not chrome) and this would be a ~$900 body:

 

[Jesse]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever played a Jackson PC-1? Seems like it would be right up your alley. The stock guitar doesn't come with the Ti trem but Phil Collen's personal guitars have Ti saddles.

 

[vikingred]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever played a Jackson PC-1? Seems like it would be right up your alley. The stock guitar doesn't come with the Ti trem but Phil Collen's personal guitars have Ti saddles.

Yah, no fretboard dots, though.  Gotta have em.  Plus, I really am into the idea of home made by hand.  We'll see how bad I suck at it.

 

[stratamania]

@ vallagen... Met ---- aa ---aaaaaa---lll...

@ vikingred re UTOPIA.  A good choice of woods.

  Koa is a lovely looking wood, but to me it seems like Black pickups and Gold/ black Hardware works well with it. Other combinations you don't tend to see so much. So not sure how the titanium would sit on it aesthetics wise...

 

[Vallhagen]

Heh.  Well, I ordered the BLACK Floyd Rose, so the titanium block (and block shim) will be out of sight.  If I got the titanium nut, it wouldn't match all the other black hardware.  I also ordered a set of the BLACK and RED special Floyd Rose non-clangy springs.  Not putting a trem cover on the back so it will be bare.  Thinking of two outside black springs, and one inside red spring.  I did also get the titanium claw and springs.  Back may look funny and not match.  May also look weird with the bloodwood.  Oh well.  TONE, MAN.  It's all about da tone.  Money spent on exotic extras makes the damn thing sound better, don't ya'll agree?

Ha! I didn't know there were RED springs out there! Definitely needed and not deadly expensive, thanx for the headsup on those.
Just a thought: If I got the info right, the reds are heavier than the black ones(?). Maybe worth considering if you intend to mix them.

About titanium, jokes aside: With "block" you mean the chunk of metal on the tremolo system backside, where you attach the springs, right(?). Isn't it exactly there you want heavier stuff? Titanium is lightweight. Maybe I got things wrong, and you mean "string blocks", not "backside chunk block", which makes more sense to me. Or maybe i'm just confused.

@ vallagen... Met ---- aa ---aaaaaa---lll...

HHNNNRRRUUUGGGGHHHHHAAARRGGHHH HARGH HARGH!

...though titan is grey, lightweight, boring and wimpy! Steel is the real shit! More TRUE TONE!

hhnnrnrrggghhhhhh!