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the plan is to have a mag/piezo combo rig with stereo outputs for a dedicated piezo amp:
mag pickups are SD alnico II pro's (splitting coils), piezo is the graphtech ghost loaded wraparound bridge with their acoustiphonic pre-amp, gotoh 510 18:1 tuners.

Another 2-3 weeks for the build!
 
That is gorgeous.
Are you drilling the holes for the bridge yourself? Couldn't Warmoth do that?
 
Logrinn said:
That is gorgeous.
Are you drilling the holes for the bridge yourself? Couldn't Warmoth do that?

bridge holes and more!  have to accommodate the piezo switch and volume knob as well
 
BroccoliRob said:
The striping on that mahogany body is dank as hell, brobro. Great score

thanks, man...  it's one piece of mahogany, too.  this is my second warmoth build and i am very impressed with the quality... far exceeds expectations. 
 
You're already off to a good start. The matching headstock looks great. Looking forward to following this one.
 
I think that's one of my dream Warmoth bodies, what you just got. There had been a body almost identical without the f-holes in the showcase a few months ago, same finish. If I had a job I don't think I could have resisted pulling the trigger...
 
Axkoa said:
I think that's one of my dream Warmoth bodies, what you just got. There had been a body almost identical without the f-holes in the showcase a few months ago, same finish. If I had a job I don't think I could have resisted pulling the trigger...

thanks!! i had mine custom built and painted to my specs... including picking out the chevron flamed top!  have to say i was a bit nervous waiting 8 weeks for the delivery to show up but blown away once i saw it.  another 2 weeks or so and i'll have a piezo/humbucker rig.  have to pick out an acoustic amp next to power the piezo bridge.  looking at a used fishman loudbox!
 
That's a beautiful guitar! One of my favorite body styles, and you've dressed it well!

The Fishman is a good choice for amplifier, as it's more of a full-range amp than is typical for electric guitar. You'll need that as you'll probably end up with some sort of acoustic or general purpose modeler at some point to get authentic acoustic sounds out of that VIP. I put piezos on a Jazzmaster last year (Graphtech's "Ghost" system) and was surprised at how little it sounds like an acoustic. The guitar itself is just such a radically different beast from an acoustic that even though you're picking up vibrations from the entire instrument instead of just string motion, there's not much resemblance to any acoustic you've ever heard. Solid (or chambered or semi-hollow) bodies just don't vibrate anywhere near as much or the same way as acoustic bodies do, so you get something that sounds more like anemic single coils with some strange EQ curve on them.

But, that strange curve produces audible characteristics that are different than what magnetic or acoustic pickups sense, so a little further processing can return some fantastic results. Even running through a cheap stompbox acoustic modeler (just a Behringer AM400 or Boss AC-3, for example) is a dramatic improvement (video review), and if you go crazy and run it through a real modeler or profiler like an Axe Fx or a Kemper, it's spooky close to the real thing. But, you need a full-range amp to pull it off, and that Fishman should fit the bill nicely.

Note that the video review of stompbox acoustic modelers I linked above is being fed by an electric with magnetic pickups rather than piezos. The piezo feed works better. Also, the Behringer version is no longer available new. I suspect the obvious dead-nuts copying of the Boss unit got them sued into pulling it from the market. But, used AM400s should be pretty cheap used as they didn't cost jack new and the Boss is only a little over a $100 anyway. Another modeler you might want to listen to is the Mooer Acoustikar. Nice little piece, also inexpensive, but also demo'd using a mag feed vs. piezo. I suspect the piezo feed would be even better. Also, there are a number of acoustic preamp pedals out there for substantially more money ($300-$400 range), but they're designed to be fed by acoustics, so I'm not sure they'd work as well or any better than the stompbox modelers as the price might imply. I think they're for those who have regular guitar amps that don't offer is what you'll get in the front end of that Fishman Loudbox.
 
Cagey said:
That's a beautiful guitar! One of my favorite body styles, and you've dressed it well!

The Fishman is a good choice for amplifier ....

wow, thanks for that!  good info.  i have tried a few piezo setups and the ghost with their onboard preamp seems the most authentic.  i am using a wiring diagram that will allow for stereo 1/4" jacks with a dedicated piezo output and the mags/piezo on the other.  it will have a hybrid switch preventing the mags to hit the preamp leaving a cleaner sound to process.  should be done in a few weeks!
 
Fantastic piece of equipment you're building here.  Just fantastic.  The matching headstock is amazing.  Do me a favor, show me a pic of the matching backs.  It looks like you test fit the neck, just turn it around for me.  They look like they could be cut from the same piece of wood.  Is the neck meat mahogany, too?

In the fitted picture you can really see the differences between the f-hole that's over wood and the one that's over the back control cover.  As the soon-to-be recipient of a body with f-holes, are you planning to darken the inside of the wood?  I've not done one before.  Purely a question of aesthetics?
 
ghotiphry said:
are you planning to darken the inside of the wood?  I've not done one before.  Purely a question of aesthetics?


the mahogany on the body is amazing!!  it's a bit lighter in color than the neck.  I don't plan on painting the inside.... kinda like the unfinished, traditional look.  It's with my guitar tech at the moment but will be done in about 10 days.  more pix coming!
 
Graphtech Piezo bridge with wires installed and hole drilled for vol/toggle...  Have to order a battery box and install it since there is no room in the hollow cavity for it.


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Hendrix said:
can the battery box made it on back control cavity plate ?

no room... i will route a new place in the top cavity or the solid block portion. there is an electronic on board preamp as part of the piezo bridge system.
 
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here is what I done for a plug on back control cavity plate .


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