Maybe it's time to move

[elfro89]

I have nothing against hunters or hunting in general, but I once spoke to this guy who was big into hunting, and asked him if he only shot animals he can eat. he told me, not at all.. he just enjoyed the rush from taking something's live.. it just gave him a thrill.. just to kill any animal..
a lost a little respect for him.... :-\

A little respect? That's how serial killers start out! Have you ever watched those TV documentaries about serial killers? They always say "As a child, X enjoyed killing small animals..."

I don't mean to be disrespectful but i find that comment pretty hilarious  :toothy11:

 

[AprioriMark]

Yeah, kids.  Don't live in the ghetto. 

-Mark

 

[Jusatele]

Hanna, I moved to Riverside to get out of that.
I know I pay with my cost of commuting, but I can leave my house without worring about break ins and I take long walks around the neighborhood talking to my neighbors. When I lived in the South Bay area I would never think of walking like that AND I LOCKED MY DOOR EVEN WHEN I WAS AT HOME.
Now If I hear a siren I know it is passing down a street going somewhere else, not to the house 2 lots down with a lowered Regal out front.

Once again you make me ask WTF?!?! Lowered Regal? Seriously? Your stereo types are offensive and tiresome. Now I really do understand where the stereo types come from but to continuously make assinine comments shows your mentality. For the record I happen to own 2 lowered Buicks and have never had the sirens stop at my house.

this is funny, telling me my stereo types are offensive,
I will apologize for bringing up something that offends you
but I will not apologize for the fact that lowered Buicks are associated with gangbangers,
and why, because a lot of gangbangers run around in lowered cars.
You need to step into my shoes, there are very few people who have suffered the racial prejudice I have. coming from a mixed family with family members from every shade in the book because of that I have seen things you can not imagine, Bringing home someone to meet the family and they will not answer a phone call after that, hearing a racist joke only to be told I would not have said it if I had known. And it goes on. I do not jump on guys who I think are using a stereotype, because I know the underlining base, and here it is.
  Want to tell me about the stereotype of lowered Buicks? Let me ask, do you watch movies? If you do you are a hypocrite, Hollywood does more to extend the racial profile of a gangbanger in a lowered car than I ever could,but you say I am offensive and spend money to go to a movie. Gone to see Machette Yet? did yo cheer when the lowered cars went hoping down the street to kick ass? I am not promoting these ideas, They are.
I am glad you own 2 lowered Buicks, but let me ask you something, If you do not want to be judged by a stereotype, then why do you choose to run around in a lowered Buick, you will be judged by that. That is not me, that is the world around you, it is a fact of human nature. And as long as you support media that promotes that image, then you support the stereotype.
If you want to change the stereotype,do not get offended when it is used, do something about it. You can only change ideas by educating people, and getting defensive and telling me I am offensive is not education. You beed to organize charity events where a bunch of lowered cars get together to raise money for anon ethnic charity and make sure no one at the event is promoting any form of stereotype such as clothing style or music. As long as you allow it you are promoting that stereotype.
Want to know why Martin Luther King's Daughter spoke at an event held by Glen Beck (who I do not support in any way) instead of the event held by Al Sharpton in Washington DC on the same day last year, Because the one by Al was all about the stereotype of angry Blacks and the one by Glen was all about healing America. I can say that, both of those are my Race.

now back to Hannaugh being upset about gunfights in her neighborhood and my experience that I had a lowered Buick 2 houses down from my old house that had cops called to it. Had I said the guy with the VW bug (he also owned) would it be any different, fact was he had a lowered Regal, and wore what we call, Hollywood has taught us to call ,wife beater shirts. So I moved away so that I would not have to worry about having to live next to a house the cops were t twice a month with the VW Bug out front.

 

[Dan025]

You need to step into my shoes, there are very few people who have suffered the racial prejudice I have. coming from a mixed family with family members from every shade in the book because of that I have seen things you can not imagine, Bringing home someone to meet the family and they will not answer a phone call after that, hearing a racist joke only to be told I would not have said it if I had known. And it goes on.

sounds like a girl i was seeing. her mom is afro cuban and her dad is japanese american (granddad was irish/polish) that's just her, her step and half siblings bring a bigger mix into the family (she has step parents on both sides with siblings from both). all my white friends make racist comments all the time, talk about awkward moments. she grew up not knowing how to fill out demographics surveys. mom told her to check african+caucasian+latin america+asian infact she could check pacific islander because her japanese grandmother was from Okinawa which at the time wasn't really like being japanese and i think her dad was born in Hawaii, the schools told her to check "other" as if mixed race people were somehow excluded from that sort of thing. her mom thought it was demeaning.

 

[Jusatele]

Bingo

and we all promote stereotypes

I wear my hair to long for the average person, why? I am a musician and proud of that.

I also love to wear cowboy boots, why? I was raised in the south.  I do not scream when I get called a redneck because of such, I promote that for wearing them that way.

 

[hannaugh]

You need to step into my shoes, there are very few people who have suffered the racial prejudice I have. coming from a mixed family with family members from every shade in the book because of that I have seen things you can not imagine, Bringing home someone to meet the family and they will not answer a phone call after that, hearing a racist joke only to be told I would not have said it if I had known. And it goes on.

sounds like a girl i was seeing. her mom is afro cuban and her dad is japanese american (granddad was irish/polish) that's just her, her step and half siblings bring a bigger mix into the family (she has step parents on both sides with siblings from both). all my white friends make racist comments all the time, talk about awkward moments. she grew up not knowing how to fill out demographics surveys. mom told her to check african+caucasian+latin america+asian infact she could check pacific islander because her japanese grandmother was from Okinawa which at the time wasn't really like being japanese and i think her dad was born in Hawaii, the schools told her to check "other" as if mixed race people were somehow excluded from that sort of thing. her mom thought it was demeaning.

My friends and I used to just write in "human being" or "American" because we always thought that part of the form was stupid.

 

[pabloman]

Did you even read my reply? I said I understand where the stereo types come from. The part I found offensive was the fact that you mentioned the regal as it was some sort of qualifying factor to the character of your neighbor. If he owns 2 vehicles why were you compelled to point out only the one that would contribute to the negative imagery the most? As far as the racism thing goes been there done that. I have hundreds of stories. It's something that goes with the territory. When I was in Texas I had a Shit kicking redneck tell me to go back where I came from. I'm 3rd generation Mexican-American born in Colorado. We don't really need to compare lives and get into a pissing contest. I am very involved in my community. I am a health care/social/case worker. I mentor youth on the side. So ya I feel I'm doing my part to help things.

 

[Superlizard]

But I once asked one of those types and he told me that he would never achieve the house on the hill, his lot was to live in a barrio and  work a 40 hour job for the rest of his life never getting anywhere. He really seemed to believe he could not improve his life and this was the only way to get respect, was to be tougher than someone else.

And politicians of a certain ilk feed and enable that mentality by telling these Joes that they are victims of society and
therefore need Mother Gov't to take care of them.  A side effect of this is (of course) said politicians get votes.

 

[AprioriMark]

You need to step into my shoes, there are very few people who have suffered the racial prejudice I have. coming from a mixed family with family members from every shade in the book because of that I have seen things you can not imagine, Bringing home someone to meet the family and they will not answer a phone call after that, hearing a racist joke only to be told I would not have said it if I had known. And it goes on.

sounds like a girl i was seeing. her mom is afro cuban and her dad is japanese american (granddad was irish/polish) that's just her, her step and half siblings bring a bigger mix into the family (she has step parents on both sides with siblings from both). all my white friends make racist comments all the time, talk about awkward moments. she grew up not knowing how to fill out demographics surveys. mom told her to check african+caucasian+latin america+asian infact she could check pacific islander because her japanese grandmother was from Okinawa which at the time wasn't really like being japanese and i think her dad was born in Hawaii, the schools told her to check "other" as if mixed race people were somehow excluded from that sort of thing. her mom thought it was demeaning.

My friends and I used to just write in "human being" or "American" because we always thought that part of the form was stupid.

I've always written in "American."

-Mark

 

[Jusatele]

Did you even read my reply? I said I understand where the stereo types come from. The part I found offensive was the fact that you mentioned the regal as it was some sort of qualifying factor to the character of your neighbor. If he owns 2 vehicles why were you compelled to point out only the one that would contribute to the negative imagery the most? As far as the racism thing goes been there done that. I have hundreds of stories. It's something that goes with the territory. When I was in Texas I had a shite kicking redneck tell me to go back where I came from. I'm 3rd generation Mexican-American born in Colorado. We don't really need to compare lives and get into a pissing contest. I am very involved in my community. I am a health care/social/case worker. I mentor youth on the side. So ya I feel I'm doing my part to help things.

ok I will state this then and ask if it offends you
since I moved from the neighborhood that had cops called on the guy with a lowered Buick to a neighborhood with no lowered buicks I have had not have to witness cops coming with regularity to a suspected gangbangers house.  Is that clear enough for you, I moved away from the stereotype and have not had to witness the stereotypical behavior that goes with it/
there is a reason for that stereotype, you do not want to be around it, you move. As I did. 
I think it is funny you object to that
after all it worked.
Stereotypes are around for a reason, they speak of the truth, that is how they arise, If someone wants to represent the stereotype, even if he does not participate in the behavior that comes from it, he can not get upset people view the stereotype as it is. I feel you are upset I did not want to be around a neighborhood with the cops showing up at a regular basis, that is the reason I moved, How safe was my family and our personal property in an area with cops showing up to enforce the law all the time? Unfortunately it was stereotypical the house they were going to had a lowered Regal. Is it my fault that that is TRUTH? Is it my fault that the TRUTH of this matter is now that I moved to a neighborhood without the stereotypical that it does not happen here?
You are sensitive to the fact that you own 2 lowered cars and that gets you judged in a stereotypical way, Ok move to an area it is excepted as normal. I am of a mixed heritage, my next door neighbor is a black man with a Latino wife, across the street is a black man with a white wife next to them are a Latino family, we have white families all around us, It is not the race of the neighborhood. Middle class neighbor hood, so it is not the social level that makes it a place that you want to live to raise kids not fearing some gangbanger is going to shoot them. But if I were to say there are no typical stereotypes associated with gangbangers I would be correct. So what does that say? I moved from the stereotypes and it worked.
That is life experience, not spreading a stereotype.

 

[pabloman]

Is That clear enough for me??? You need to maybe pay attention to what I am saying. All I said was the dudes effin car has no  relevance to his disregard for his neighbors or the law or what have you. My absolute only beef was that You used the car as a negative reinforcer. That is it. Is that clear enough for you? I could give a rats ass of your wanting to get away from bad neighbors and wanting to protect your family. Why on earth would you think I would find fault with that or object to it? That makes absolutely no sense and it seems like you are now just trying to stoke the fire. I am not sensitive to the fact that I own lowered cars and people have preconceived notions. As a matter of fact my general appearance leaves me open for judgement and I am aware of this and it's affect on every facet of my life. The area I live in is absolutely accepting of lowriders that is not the issue. The incident I was referring to actually happened while I was in my bone stock silverado. You were trying to demonstrate a person in a particular light and used an entirely unrelated detail as an affirmation of this guys ways. You proved this by saying that he also owns a Vdub. You chose the car that fit the stereotypical negative image you were trying to portray. That's it. No more, no less.

 

[Dan025]

is it just me or is this argument getting more heated as well as more pointless at the same time?

 

[Jusatele]

I am not heated at all,I just do not understand why I he does not see that the stereotype is there and is the truth
he is the one upset I stated a house had a lowered buick and the police were there all the time. That is the truth
so what did I do wrong? mention the fact that the reason there is a stereotype with lowered cars is because so many gangbangers have lowered cars?

let me ask, if I were to go to the store and pick up the latest copy of LOWRIDER magazine, would I not find it full of other stereotypical photos and advertisements? Wife beater shirts, pitbulls, girls in mini dresses, high heals and low cut tops laying across  lowriders?

who is promoting that? ME?

Like I said, if you get upset with the association, do promote it, if you do not want to be judged by the stereotype, do not own part of it.

but do not get upset if a person reacts to a stereotype, they are stereotypes for a reason

 

[Cagey]

is it just me or is this argument getting more heated as well as more pointless at the same time?

No, it's not just you. One guy doesn't appreciate being stereotyped for engaging in stereotypical behavior, and the other doesn't appreciate being called out for having normal observational skills. Stereotypes exist for reason, that being that given a set of reference points you can often prejudge a situation with reasonable accuracy. It's a survival skill. All animals have it, or they die young. There's nothing wrong with it, regardless of what the bleeding hearts would have you believe. To ignore the markers is to become prey. Of course, it's not absolute. Not all dogs are vicious, and not all cars run over people, but it's best to avoid confronting either of them if you're unwilling or unprepared to deal with the consequences.

 

[pabloman]

Okay, I'm going to try this for the last time. I am not trying to challenge society, hollywood, the media, the way things are or what you believe. I do not understand why you think I have problems with stereotypes. I do not. I know why they exist. I have said this already. Why isn't that clear? My only issue was you negatively contributing to the stereotype with the correlation of the car and the character of your neighbor. That is it. Nothing else. 

 

[Cagey]

The car is a big, unmistakeable marker. It's the foaming mouth on a loose dog. It's the smell of rotting eggs around your furnace. It's the sweaty, nervous behavior and darting eyes of a poorly dressed youth in the party store who's obviously not shopping. They're all strong indicators that something is wrong. The bishop doesn't cruise up the street in a low-rider to give last rites to old Mrs. Jones, but drug dealers or users looking to case a neighborhood for potential burglary targets will, particularly in a barrio or ghetto. It's certainly not absolute, but even the most cautious gambler won't ignore those odds.

When I was a young man, there were no such things as low-riders. Building hot rods was the big thing. Monster tires, oversized engines, ineffective exhausts, etc. all served to let everyone know you were a badass. Never mind that I was geek of the first degree, building computers from scratch on wire wrap boards before the PC or Microsoft even existed and most people didn't even know what computers were. My car even had the required 30 stickers or so all over the ass end of it advertising Crane cams, Hooker headers, Edelbrock manifolds, Holley carbs, etc.

One day, I took the thing into work, and of course got a lot of attention. But, one old guy said "Why all the 'stop me, cop!' stickers?" I said "Whut?" He said all I'm doing is making it obvious to any cop who sees me that if I'm not breaking the law that very minute, just wait one more. He predicted I'd get a million tickets driving that thing on the streets. He wasn't far off. I got stopped so often it was ridiculous. I got stereotyped because of the major identifying mark I had.

Passing along those observations or beliefs is neither malicious nor wrong; it's normal social behavior. You warn your family, friends and peers when danger is present, or teach them to be able to identify it themselves. Again, a normal survival skill that all animals engage in and pass on to their offspring. If you enjoy the trappings of the disenfranchised, that's fine. But, you have to be prepared to suffer the ramifications for doing so. You may walk on water and heal lepers in your spare time, but if you look threatening, people are going to feel threatened and make sure everybody knows it.

 

[pabloman]

You may walk on water and heal lepers in your spare time, but if you look threatening, people are going to feel threatened and make sure everybody knows it.

This is the exact boat I am in, albeit not to those extremes. I am however aware of necessities such as covering the tattoos and driving the appropriate vehicle to the proper occasion. Fortunately custom cars are more and more mainstream. Hell soccer moms are rollin double deuces on the Tahoe. I have seen a hell of a lot more respectable people in lowriders than supposed gang bangers. I guess you guys have not. Making the assumption that a hispanic male in a lowrider is a gangster or some sort of criminal is absolutely stupid, prejudiced and extremely offensive. If you make that judgement then you are an absolute idiot. Just because I see a guy in cowboy boots doesn't mean I should assume that he is going to be a prejudiced boom-boom. I also should not assume that just because someone is old and white means he is going to be a loud mouth know it all biggot. I would again never assume that because a guy appears to be a redneck does not automatically mean he has a passionate relationship with his sister. I guess we all learn from our experiences and there is nothing I can do to convince you that you shouldn't be afraid of every brown guy in a shiney car.

 

[Jusatele]

never mentioned every brown man in a shiney car, mentioned the gangbanger down the street with the lowered Buick, He was a Gangbanger in a lowered Buick, so am I wrong for pointing out that the cops were at his house a lot, that I was nervous for my family and he was a gangbanger with a lowered Buick, As others have agreed gangbangers seem to like lowered cars so there is a connection there, If you do not want to be judged by that do not own a lowered Buick.
I will not stop wearing cowboy boots and wearing my hair over my ears and down on my shoulders but I accept that guys judge me as a Redneck because of it. Who cares?
I stated I was sorry you took offense to the stereotype of the lowered car and gangsters, but you choose to own a lowered car and be thin skinned about it not me.
lets look at the reputation for the average Harley Rider, he is a 50 something professional worker with a very expensive toy he puts super loud exhaust on, dresses like a bad ass only to ride it and puts less than 2000 miles a year on a bike he rides 20 miles to a bar and back on Sunday afternoon and shows off the 5000 dollars of chrome on it.
If you do not believe that stereotype is true, read the ads for used harleys, most do not average 2000 miles a year, most say they have 5 grand or more invested in aftermarket, that means chrome, you arrive and there is a Suburban and a BMW in the driveway and the guy comes out to show the bike just off work in slacks and a tie.
But yet every weekend he is in jeans with 20 items of clothing with a Harley registered stamp on it like the chain wallet, boots, bandanna etc. They are called RUBs, Rich Urban Bikers and Harley is rich because of them.
Do you see them getting upset when Harley list them as their Demographic on the corporate website?  Do not believe me,go to the Harley site and yo will find a place where they mention their demographic, it is 52, and offers income and lifestyle info. They have it nailed and it is about them, so they can market it.
Do you see guys upset about that, no they go out and adorn all that to become that for the weekend. they embrace the stereotype. Not get upset because they are not part of it. They are trying to capture look of a badass carefree biker.

 

[-CB-]

Huey is dressed in some sort of unknown wood laminate that seems to be through-dyed and very tough stuff.  Could very well be birch and maple for all I know.

 

[JaySwear]

"As of 2009 it is 26.8% Black, 10.4% Asian, 33.8% Hispanic, and 28.7% White." From my high school's wikipedia page. Nobody was afraid of the "brown man in a shiny car," like somebody so over dramatically mentioned earlier. We were the ultimate diversified school. But still a pretty violent one. I got into a couple confrontations, a friend of mine was in a few fights, once trying to defend me for something I hadn't done. I got into a fight with a hispanic guy who thought I threw a rock at his 1980-something Honda (there's a car stereotype for you). I didn't, by the way. Little 130 lbs me wasn't going to throw a rock at the car of that 200+ lbs dude. He didn't seem to see the logic in that at all. Just the opportunity to kick somebody's ass. His girlfriend too, since all I heard from behind me was "kick his ass!" He didn't get the chance to though. I also got hit in the back of the head with a rock one day. Left a trail of blood from the back of the school by the football field all the way to the health room. They conveniently never found the kid who did it. Only ended up with 5 staples in my head though. It was pretty common to see 3 or 4 police cars parked out front of the school for somebody's arrest. Knives were everywhere. I never saw a gun myself, but you knew who had them. There were places both in and outside the school that you avoided because of gangs. MS-13 was everywhere, not sure what the others were but the others were nearly as bad. There was an attack on a few kids with pepper spray in one of the hallways that ended up with the evacuation of the school for the rest of the day. The most memorable was a machete fight by a bunch of gang members one day after school.

I'm not saying I was one of the good kids myself. I did stupid things like start fires in trash cans in the park, skipped school as often as I could without having it affect my grades, broke into the locked auditorium almost daily during lunch, drank vodka during English class once, and was arrested during the school day my senior year. But my friends and I had fun, never hurt anybody like a ton of the kids I knew. As long as it's bad people doing bad things to other bad people then I say let them at it. Good riddance.