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I dunno, you could probably harness a Raspberry Pi into doing some pretty exotic signal processing for ya.


Here's a not-particularly-well-developed thought with a link or two to someone's actual project:
http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/7791/raspberry-pi-and-realtime-audio-effects-digital-signal-processing



 
Well, some doable actual ideas I have tinkered with doing with onboard computing power:

Capacitive sensing switches under the pickguard.  Like enable boost by touching the pickguard screw. Or the pickup.  Or the magical spot only you know.
Maybe an "XY" area like the Kaos tablet under the pickguard. Two axis wah is something I've wanted to play with for a couple decades.
Accelerometer or Piezo Gyro based Wah (I'm gonna do this one sooner or later)
Before I found my son's micro P-bass, I was toying with the idea of doing a quad octave down pedal onboard on a mini squire.

 
I am going to build a couple "demo" pickguards with switches to try out almost everything:

Individual volume controls for each pickup
On/Off for each pickup (maybe a push-pull on the volumes to eliminate clutter)
Tone on each pickup (and audition different caps)
Series/Parallel for humbuckers - never tried this, may use the Duncan Triple-Shot rings to try out

I have tried splitting HBs, and I know I don't like the individual tones.  Will it work for the 2 & 4 Strat positions with a SC middle pup?  I will probably try that as well.

Then, after I play around with it, I imagine I'll settle in on what I really WANT.  So, to answer your question, I don't know yet!  But, I aim to explore the world and find out.

Lavely
 
joelavely said:
I am going to build a couple "demo" pickguards with switches to try out almost everything:

Individual volume controls for each pickup
On/Off for each pickup (maybe a push-pull on the volumes to eliminate clutter)
Tone on each pickup (and audition different caps)
Series/Parallel for humbuckers - never tried this, may use the Duncan Triple-Shot rings to try out

I have tried splitting HBs, and I know I don't like the individual tones.  Will it work for the 2 & 4 Strat positions with a SC middle pup?  I will probably try that as well.

Then, after I play around with it, I imagine I'll settle in on what I really WANT.  So, to answer your question, I don't know yet!  But, I aim to explore the world and find out.

Lavely

For a volume/tone on all three pickups individually on a Strat pickguard, I'd consider dual concentric pots.  In fact, for a wider pickup selection criteria, you could do that in conjunction with on/off switches for each individual pickups.  If placing Strat sized humbuckers in there like Dimarzio Tone Zones or S.D. Lil JB or Lil 59, then I'd consider the on/off/on switches so that you can split them.

It might be nice to have a "Studio" Strat with this layout as it would afford a plethora of pickup selection offerings to accent each recorded track.  I don't know that I could gig with one as it would be too much multitasking to make all the different switchings on the fly though.
 
joelavely said:
I am going to build a couple "demo" pickguards with switches to try out almost everything:

Individual volume controls for each pickup
On/Off for each pickup (maybe a push-pull on the volumes to eliminate clutter)
Tone on each pickup (and audition different caps)
Series/Parallel for humbuckers - never tried this, may use the Duncan Triple-Shot rings to try out

I have tried splitting HBs, and I know I don't like the individual tones.  Will it work for the 2 & 4 Strat positions with a SC middle pup?  I will probably try that as well.

Then, after I play around with it, I imagine I'll settle in on what I really WANT.  So, to answer your question, I don't know yet!  But, I aim to explore the world and find out.

Lavely
I just kept modifying one pickguard to find out what I wanted. I wound up with slots and holes all over it but finally settled on 2 humbuckers, 1 tone, 1 vol, 3-way pickup toggle and a master series/parallel switch. It really helped to try a lot of different combinations. Then I just got a new pickguard and that was that.
 
As far as controls go, I like to get a variety of sounds on each guitar that has a humbucker. So the Seymour Duncan Triple Shots are a must on my main guitar that has two hummers. On single coils though I just prefer to have them with a volume and tone.

My next build will have a hum at the bridge and a p-90 at the neck and a three way. Ditching the SD TS's and just going to have two push-pull pots. The final phase of the guitar will have the Graphtech acoustiphonic unit setup on the Wilky tremolo and I will just add a volume pot and a three way switch and that's it.

I love using each sound for certain songs or parts of a song, since I can't afford every guitar in the world.
 
swarfrat said:
I'm going to put an embedded linux system in a guitar one day, I just need to figure out something for it to do. Which is kinda the problem with a lot of these controls.

Have you seen this build ?
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13503.msg99300#msg99300

Scroll down that page a little and check out the wiring  :o    :o
 
Updown said:
swarfrat said:
I'm going to put an embedded linux system in a guitar one day, I just need to figure out something for it to do. Which is kinda the problem with a lot of these controls.

Have you seen this build ?
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13503.msg99300#msg99300

Scroll down that page a little and check out the wiring  :o    :o

That's going to extremes. Still interesting nonetheless.
 
It appeals to the nerd in me. But, I can't think of what I'd want to control by hand on the guitar other than which notes get played and how they get attacked. Most of that on/off/modify type stuff gets done with a pedalboard for a reason: your hands are too busy.
 
Cagey said:
It appeals to the nerd in me. But, I can't think of what I'd want to control by hand on the guitar other than which notes get played and how they get attacked. Most of that on/off/modify type stuff gets done with a pedalboard for a reason: your hands are too busy.

I concur - less is more!
 
Matt Bellamy of Muse has a 2D Kaoss-type pad on some of his guitars:

Manson-630-80.jpg


When combined with a sustainac-type thing, it's pretty unique, and something you definitely couldn't do with your feet.
 
I am a minimalist's minimalist.  I don't want my guitar to sound like 100 different things, I want it to sound like ME.  :)    I play with the stomp-boxes a bit, but overall I really only ever use one of 3 sounds:

1) Bridge humbucker for cranking rocking overdriven stuffs (I can vary the amount of drive with pick attack on low to medium output alnico pickups, which is all I use at the moment).

2) Neck humbucker for anything else that sounds good with a light bit of overdrive but I want to be warm-ish and not overpowering the singing.

3)  Neck humbucker split to single coil for things that need to be clean and smooth without any (or nearly no) overdrive at all

I don't like volume or tone knobs (or really knobs as a control type), so I have started doing my guitars with just switches.  I am still working on my 'final wiring schema', but basically I am doing:

A)  Switch of some kind to switch between pickups (have done 3 way and 5 way)

B)  A mini switch (3 position) to do off, on, and special (usually split coil)

I am thinking my next time around, I will do it this way:

Pickup switch (3 way switch, 2 humbuckers)

Mini switch will switch as follows:

Pos1:  Off (short hot to ground)
Pos2:  Normal/On with output going through a resistor (of yet to be determined size)
Pos 3: Special - Neck pickup split + bypass the resistor used in Pos2.


The resistor in Pos2 is to cool off the humbuckers output a bit so that when switching between split neck and not split neck, I minimize the volume difference between split and not-split.    The by-product of removing the resistance (or by-passing it, technically) in 'Special' mode, is that when I switch to the bridge in Pos3, I get that ballsy 'humbucker wired direct to output jack with no resistance to speak of' effect. 

The other option I toy heavily with is a single 5 way that just does  Off, Bridge, Bridge + Neck, Neck, Neck Split with appropriate resistors in all the positions to keep output volume eveninsh.

YMMV, and my opinions have been known to be out of step with normal.  :P
 
I like getting a million sounds from my guitar, SD triple shots are my favorite accessories at the moment. After that though, it's just a volume and three way toggle.

By this will probably own me one of these days...even though I'm reluctant to let go of my soldering addiction...
http://www.stewmac.com/Pickups_and_Electronics/Components_and_Parts/Capacitors_and_Resistors/G-HUB.html?lac_guid=34430b2e-92e6-e411-b94e-bc305bee17b9&utm_campaign=EPA_M5065_B_20150420&utm_medium=email&utm_source=EPA#details
 
That's an interesting little widget, but to my way of thinking, it's more of a test fixture than an integral part of a control scheme. I mean, once you've got it set up so you like it, you no longer need its utility. You know which cap(s) and what wiring scheme works best so you can just install discrete components that accomplish the same thing for a couple bucks versus $80.

I could see owning one with some test leads on it so you could experiment with whatever pickup set you've got installed at the moment to find the best values to use. Probably work out well if you change pickups a lot, or build/service a lotta guitars. But to install it in a control cavity and leave it there? Seems like a waste.
 
I think it's one of those "in between" modding products - for people who don't know what they're doing and can't solder and/or are afraid to, but still want to mod.
 
I'm no stranger to experimenting with different configs, but for the type of music that I play, and my preference for simplicity live, I always end up reverting back to the 3way toggle & the single volume knob on my TFS6.  That's probably why I've not drilled any more holes on it and prefer to do most of my experimenting on my Barit-Tele or a ever evolving Strat build.

I started out on my Bari-Tele with a 4 way blade p/u selector, a push/pull volume to split the bridge, and a push/pull tone to place it out of phase in the center position.  I've swapped out the 4 way to a traditional 3 way as I found that my instinct to just flick back & forth from the neck and the bridge was not being services in a way that is complementary, and live with a band, that series position was not all that noticeable anyways.  I have barely any application for the out of phase setting, but I do enjoy noodling around with it at home.

I think it goes back to the same mentality I have about recording.  When all we had was 16 or 24 track recorders, we put our best performance down.
Now that everyone and their mother has a Pro Tools rig, they act like they have to fill all 128 or more tracks, while laying down a minimal performance for a measure, then looping the rest.  I have a Pro Tools rig, but I function like that kid that only has 16 or 24 tracks. 

Find the tone that works for you, rehearse more, edit & flick less.
 
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