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Hands free pickup switching demo

t.coyle

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I was wondering about this today after having some frustrations with my pickup selector. I did some searching and found that someone had done it already. It looks like kind of a hassle to get it all together and you have to use a midi floor board and a few other things but I would absolutely love this. It seems much easier and simpler for the player(while playing).

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2x1i6FZ-yU[/youtube]
 
I can't think of anything good to say about this whole situation, so I'm just going to leave it alone for now. Hopefully, somebody will start a rant and I'll just play wingman <grin>

Suffice to say it looks like a solution in search of a problem.
 
If you are going to have foot switchable presets, it does make sense to be able to change pickup settings at the same time. I like how it doesn't use anything too crazy to achieve it - just individual outputs for the pickups and a MIDI switcher. I was wondering if the guitar might have a MIDI input with some relays.

I was already considering making my new guitar stereo to achieve something similar. I can treat each pickup signal seprately or use the selector switch to switch signal paths.
 
I've always had the desire to do something like that, but the idea of having 3 wireless systems makes it seem very impractical.

Billy Sheehan has had a stereo bass for years, one amp rig fore each pickup.
Carvin used to offer a stereo out setup on their guitars also for the same application.

If you don't mind using 2+ cables, go for it.  I think making a special jack with a common ground and 2 or 3 discreet positives using a special cable to a box like what he has there could certainly show some promise.
I'm just old & set in my ways in that I don't ever want to feel a cable dangling against my leg again after playing with a wireless for 25 years.
 
I have something similar on my guitar. It's a single stereo output, with a splitter cable that plugs into my Pod X3 Live's two inputs. I'm way too uncoordinated to switch pickups mid-song, so it's been great for me.
 
I understand that this set up would not be for everyone, I play just play at home for my own enjoyment and this would work well with what I want to do.

I would like to get a guitar with this setup on it and set it up in conjunction with an Axe-Fx and a Midi Floor controller. A guitar with a single coil and a humbucker and both of their own outputs would be very versitile as long as you choose the right pickups, also this would allow you to not mod your guitar just add a stereo jack.

For example you want to play a bunch of covers you make a bank for a certain song and make a patch for each guitar sound in the song and choose which pickup fits best. Then you could put filters and effects on the basic sound of the pickup until it sounds more like the original, like filtering out highs or lows or making it sound tighter or flubbier the axe fx is very versitile. Then you could just tap on the floor board for each part and focus your hands on playing the notes. That seems like the best setup for me, it would take time to edit the banks and the guitar sounds but once I'm happy with those it would let me focus more on playing and make less mistakes.
 
I appreciate all the things people are saying here, but honestly, how lazy do you have to be?  Really?  The pickup selector switch is too much to handle while playing? Really?  Really.

I guess the world that Wal-E showed is closer than I thought...

:binkybaby:
 
Ok, when I first saw the video, I assumed that he had simply put a midi controlled relay on his guitar to switch the pickups using a CC message, but then I realized he's got 3 outputs. WHY!? would someone do that?
I can see a lot of problems with doing a setup like this. For example, running all three pickups in parallel would more-or-less triple the parasitic capacitance from the cables, decreasing treble.

Also, what a fudging lazy idea! Is it really that big of a deal to flip a switch?
 
I kind of resemble one of the people from wal e hahaha. I do have a lot of physical problems and mental disorders that make guitar playing in general somewhat of a challenge though. Im for whatever makes it easier for me to play. I would never run all 3 of the pickups at once or even in stereo, i just like the idea so I can concentrate on playing while being able to change everything else with a tap of the foot. I understand that It is unnecessary for the majority of people to have this set up especially people can more smoothly navigate a guitars controls and switching channels while still playing well. But this could be a good solution for the rest of us lazy people who arnet as coordinated.
 
GearBoxTy said:
I appreciate all the things people are saying here, but honestly, how lazy do you have to be?  Really?  The pickup selector switch is too much to handle while playing? Really?  Really.

I guess the world that Wal-E showed is closer than I thought...

:binkybaby:
In this video, anyway.  :laughing7:
 
t.coyle said:
I kind of resemble one of the people from wal e hahaha. I do have a lot of physical problems and mental disorders that make guitar playing in general somewhat of a challenge though. Im for whatever makes it easier for me to play. I would never run all 3 of the pickups at once or even in stereo, i just like the idea so I can concentrate on playing while being able to change everything else with a tap of the foot. I understand that It is unnecessary for the majority of people to have this set up especially people can more smoothly navigate a guitars controls and switching channels while still playing well. But this could be a good solution for the rest of us lazy people who arnet as coordinated.

Having some defects of my own, I can appreciate timing/coordination problems. But, while I can't cite any kind of studies or empirical data, I believe it takes more skill to coordinate your hands and feet together than it does either or hands or feet on their own. I'm also a strong advocate of simple guitar controls - the less there are the better off you'll be. There often just isn't time to be goofing around with numerous switches and knobs at the same time you're playing. Look at the pros - they don't have 137 switches and knobs on their guitars. They know better.

That said, all you have to do is watch a multi-keyboard + bass pedal organ player to know that it's certainly possible to gain that skill. It involves an activity with a name so foul that four letters aren't enough to invoke it - PRACTICE.

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Needs more cowbell...

I took lessons from a top Berkeley grad for a couple years and for all his futile efforts to educate me, I did come away with some basic but ultra-important truths that are often overlooked because they seem to be too simple to pay attention to:

  • Always practice with a metronome
  • The only way to speed up is to slow down, and
  • Dare to suck

If you're having trouble switching pickups, you need to slow down to where you can do it without breaking stride, and practice at that speed. Use a metronome to keep you honest, or you'll screw it up, guaranteed. An evil side effect of not doing that is you'll actually learn to screw up, and that becomes the norm. You have to practice correctly, or the bad behavior becomes the learned behavior.

After a week or two without mistakes, speed up a couple ticks. It probably won't be a problem, but give it a day or two. If it's still not a problem, speed up a couple more ticks. Lather, rinse, repeat until you start making mistakes, then drop back and practice there. Works like a charm, and you won't need goofy equipment that nobody else on the planet has found a use for.
 
'  * Always practice with a metronome
    * The only way to speed up is to slow down, and
    * Dare to suck      '

I'm so making that into a guitar case sticker.
 
Hehe! Yeah, well, you don't want to advertise all your secrets <grin>

As simple as those principles are, they are a cast iron bitch to adhere to. Metronomes are unforgiving, and practicing slow is frustrating/boring/aggravating/tiring. But, those just take discipline and dedication. You either have it or you don't. The "Dare to suck" thing is a little harder to get over because it works on your ego, and the ballsiest guy you'll ever meet has a tough time taking punches to that.

But, we're our own worst critics. It's surprising how often you can absolutely massacre a tune, yet still have all kinds of people wanting to shake your hand and be your friend. That's no excuse for being a screw-up, but it goes back to the old "nothing ventured, nothing gained" rule. Sometimes you just have to try things on for size to see how they look.
 
For me it would not be a problem with flipping the switch, but coordinating various amp/effect settings with the pickup configuration. Why not set things up to have a settings change everything you need?

From what I understand, the outputs are just that and are not routed back to the guitar. No problem with wire lengths or whatever.
 
Cagey said:
I'm also a strong advocate of simple guitar controls - the less there are the better off you'll be. There often just isn't time to be goofing around with numerous switches and knobs at the same time you're playing. Look at the pros - they don't have 137 switches and knobs on their guitars. They know better.

If you notice, it's always newbies that want the million switching options on their instruments. More serious players do, indeed, prefer regular instruments, with USEFUL options rather than numerous options.
When you get into all the series/parallel and phase switching, you end up with a ton of useless crap, some identical sounds, some options that cut the output, and a handful of sounds that you can actually use, even less that you will use regularly.

I did a wiring diagram once for a guy that wanted four on/off/out of phase mini toggles (One for each coil of two humbuckers.) with three series/parallel switches, so that every combination of coils would be possible. My guess is that he probably ended up with 3 or 4 useful sounds. :blob7:
 
richship said:
For me it would not be a problem with flipping the switch, but coordinating various amp/effect settings with the pickup configuration. Why not set things up to have a settings change everything you need?

From what I understand, the outputs are just that and are not routed back to the guitar. No problem with wire lengths or whatever.

If it'll get you where you need to go, then go for it. You'll never get anywhere if you're not happy and comfortable with your gear.

But, we may be back to the practice thing here again. Most guys spend so much time with their weapon of choice that there's nothing to think about when choosing pickups. They know almost instinctively what to expect, having heard it a bajillion times. So, why go to a bizarro setup that doesn't conform to any other? What happens when you build, buy or borrow another guitar, or whatever? What if your rig goes tits-up, and you need a backup? Yer fukt. Scrood. Outa luck, and perhaps out of a job. Where do you buy replacement parts, like cords? Are you going to wire up a pile of them yourself, so you have spares? Because trust me, even very high-quality cords fail eventually, and homebuilt ones do it early and often almost as a matter of course.

As much as I bitch about "vintage" gear, there are reasons many things stay the same for so long, the main one being predictability, closely followed by replaceability and repairability. When you consider how important a sixteenth of an inch in neck width or a couple thousandths in fret height is to most players, it becomes clear that you don't want anything that takes you too far off the ranch. Small things make big differences, and big things are almost impossible to deal with.
 
This setup is nice because it uses pretty standard stuff. How difficult is finding a trs/balanced or MIDI cable?

If you are using a fancy multi-effects/amp-sim that can have 100+ presets, having it also be able to pick the correct pickup config for the preset would be very nice. If that all fails, just plug a cord into an amp. I'd certainly want any guitar I have to be able to do that.
 
Cagey said:
t.coyle said:
I kind of resemble one of the people from wal e hahaha. I do have a lot of physical problems and mental disorders that make guitar playing in general somewhat of a challenge though. Im for whatever makes it easier for me to play. I would never run all 3 of the pickups at once or even in stereo, i just like the idea so I can concentrate on playing while being able to change everything else with a tap of the foot. I understand that It is unnecessary for the majority of people to have this set up especially people can more smoothly navigate a guitars controls and switching channels while still playing well. But this could be a good solution for the rest of us lazy people who arnet as coordinated.

Having some defects of my own, I can appreciate timing/coordination problems. But, while I can't cite any kind of studies or empirical data, I believe it takes more skill to coordinate your hands and feet together than it does either or hands or feet on their own. I'm also a strong advocate of simple guitar controls - the less there are the better off you'll be. There often just isn't time to be goofing around with numerous switches and knobs at the same time you're playing. Look at the pros - they don't have 137 switches and knobs on their guitars. They know better.

That said, all you have to do is watch a multi-keyboard + bass pedal organ player to know that it's certainly possible to gain that skill. It involves an activity with a name so foul that four letters aren't enough to invoke it - PRACTICE.

long_center_console.jpg


Needs more cowbell...

I took lessons from a top Berkeley grad for a couple years and for all his futile efforts to educate me, I did come away with some basic but ultra-important truths that are often overlooked because they seem to be too simple to pay attention to:

  • Always practice with a metronome
  • The only way to speed up is to slow down, and
  • Dare to suck

If you're having trouble switching pickups, you need to slow down to where you can do it without breaking stride, and practice at that speed. Use a metronome to keep you honest, or you'll screw it up, guaranteed. An evil side effect of not doing that is you'll actually learn to screw up, and that becomes the norm. You have to practice correctly, or the bad behavior becomes the learned behavior.

After a week or two without mistakes, speed up a couple ticks. It probably won't be a problem, but give it a day or two. If it's still not a problem, speed up a couple more ticks. Lather, rinse, repeat until you start making mistakes, then drop back and practice there. Works like a charm, and you won't need goofy equipment that nobody else on the planet has found a use for.

I have a fever...and the only perscription is more cowbell. :laughing7:
 
line6man said:
Cagey said:
I'm also a strong advocate of simple guitar controls - the less there are the better off you'll be. There often just isn't time to be goofing around with numerous switches and knobs at the same time you're playing. Look at the pros - they don't have 137 switches and knobs on their guitars. They know better.

If you notice, it's always newbies that want the million switching options on their instruments. More serious players do, indeed, prefer regular instruments, with USEFUL options rather than numerous options.
When you get into all the series/parallel and phase switching, you end up with a ton of useless crap, some identical sounds, some options that cut the output, and a handful of sounds that you can actually use, even less that you will use regularly.

I did a wiring diagram once for a guy that wanted four on/off/out of phase mini toggles (One for each coil of two humbuckers.) with three series/parallel switches, so that every combination of coils would be possible. My guess is that he probably ended up with 3 or 4 useful sounds. :blob7:

I suppose there's a fear that they might be missing out on something, or in some cases the mistaken idea that they're the first ones to think of being so deep, thorough and nuanced. Still others may think that without the trick wiring, they'll never sound like (insert hero here). Usually only takes one guitar to get those silly notions out of their head. Some of us are luckier, in that we get to have some local guitar hero(s) sit down with our guitar and play circles around us, getting all the magical tones we didn't think our fiddles were capable of without serious investments of time and money. I say lucky, but it can be quite depressing to find out that you can't blame your guitar or rig any more, and you've got a ton of work ahead learning to play.
 
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