GAS Alert!!!!

Cagey said:
Death by Uberschall said:
DangerousR6 said:
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OMG, it's got EMG's!!!!!  :eek:
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And F-holes on a body that wouldn't resonate if you bolted it to a jackhammer <grin>
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Maybe you should open your eyes and make better observations, f holes have been on these body shapes before you and I were born. So someone a lot better at building guitars than you or I, used them for a reason...
 
DangerousR6 said:
Maybe you should open your eyes and make better observations, f holes have been on these body shapes before you and I were born. So someone a lot better at building guitars than you or I, used them for a reason...
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I've been observing, studying, using, building and experimenting with guitars for many years. One of the things I've learned is that people will do the damnedest things for no apparent reason whatsoever. They usually think it'll enhance the sound, playability or appearance, but more often than not it doesn't. However, the power of suggestion is tremendous, especially when you suggest something to yourself. It's difficult to disagree with your own ideas. That's one of the reasons psychotherapy is a good idea for some people <grin>
 
Cagey said:
DangerousR6 said:
Maybe you should open your eyes and make better observations, f holes have been on these body shapes before you and I were born. So someone a lot better at building guitars than you or I, used them for a reason...
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I've been observing, studying, using, building and experimenting with guitars for many years. One of the things I've learned is that people will do the damnedest things for no apparent reason whatsoever. They usually think it'll enhance the sound, playability or appearance, but more often than not it doesn't. However, the power of suggestion is tremendous, especially when you suggest something to yourself. It's difficult to disagree with your own ideas. That's one of the reasons psychotherapy is a good idea for some people <grin>
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F holes do serve a purpose, they're for acoustics. Sound holes allow the top and rear sound boards to vibrate more, and to allow the sound created inside the instrument to emanate outside of the instrument... 
 
Drugs, beatings, cajoling, therapy, withholding sex... nothing works on me. I'm just permanently, predominantly and predictably stupid. It's a gift <grin>
 
DangerousR6 said:
F holes do serve a purpose, they're for acoustics. Sound holes allow the top and rear sound boards to vibrate more, and to allow the sound created inside the instrument to emanate outside of the instrument...   
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I know what F holes do, why they do it, and how. On an acoustic, or an electric with a much larger body such as any of the ES series Gibsons, what you say is true. But on a Les Paul-style and sized body? Gimme a break. One of the reasons Les Pauls sound the way they do is because they don't vibrate. They're too small and dense. Opening chambers in them will reduce the mass slightly, but it largely only serves to make them weigh a little less, not to make them more resonant.
 
Cagey said:
DangerousR6 said:
F holes do serve a purpose, they're for acoustics. Sound holes allow the top and rear sound boards to vibrate more, and to allow the sound created inside the instrument to emanate outside of the instrument...   
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I know what F holes do, why they do it, and how. On an acoustic, or an electric with a much larger body such as any of the ES series Gibsons, what you say is true. But on a Les Paul-style and sized body? Gimme a break. One of the reasons Les Pauls sound the way they do is because they don't vibrate. They're too small and dense. Opening chambers in them will reduce the mass slightly, but it largely only serves to make them weigh a little less, not to make them more resonant.
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"Don't vibrate".... :laughing11:
 
What, you've never played a Les Paul before? If not, pick one up the next time you're at a music store, but don't plug it into anything. Play a few bars of whatever turns you on. Bang the snot out of it. See if you can hear what you're doing. The things are deader than a doornail. Not that there's anything wrong with that; far from it. It's a defining feature of the instrument's design, and few other guitars can duplicate it. You can identify a Les Paul from a mile away with the help of some substantial amplification, preferably from Marshall.
 
Cagey said:
What, you've never played a Les Paul before? If not, pick one up the next time you're at a music store, but don't plug it into anything. Play a few bars of whatever turns you on. Bang the snot out of it. See if you can hear what you're doing. The things are deader than a doornail. Not that there's anything wrong with that; far from it. It's a defining feature of the instrument's design, and few other guitars can duplicate it. You can identify a Les Paul from a mile away with the help of some substantial amplification, preferably from Marshall.
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Yes, I've played a Les Paul before. My very first solid body guitar was a '76 custom...
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Cagey said:
DangerousR6 said:
F holes do serve a purpose, they're for acoustics. Sound holes allow the top and rear sound boards to vibrate more, and to allow the sound created inside the instrument to emanate outside of the instrument...   
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I know what F holes do, why they do it, and how. On an acoustic, or an electric with a much larger body such as any of the ES series Gibsons, what you say is true. But on a Les Paul-style and sized body? Gimme a break. One of the reasons Les Pauls sound the way they do is because they don't vibrate. They're too small and dense. Opening chambers in them will reduce the mass slightly, but it largely only serves to make them weigh a little less, not to make them more resonant.
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Cagey, i agree with some of your argument, but if they don't vibrate because of their density, then wouldn't the semihollow chambers make it thinner in spots and therefore help it vibrate more?  At least that's what i've noticed the small handful of times that i've strummed on a semihollow lp...

BTW, if you want a resonant guitar, get a jazzmaster.  a seafoam green jazzmaster.  :icon_thumright:
 
A thought:

In the case of chambers and f-holes, it's the air that "vibrates". Sure, the body drives it, but it's the air you're working with when you start making chambers and adding openings.

I'm just sayin... and yes, the body does vibrate. Perhaps not much, but how much does it take to make a difference to the air?

All that said I have no clue if it makes a difference in this application but the theory is a bit more complicated than heavy bodies don't vibrate...
 
jalane said:
Cagey, i agree with some of your argument, but if they don't vibrate because of their density, then wouldn't the semihollow chambers make it thinner in spots and therefore help it vibrate more?  At least that's what i've noticed the small handful of times that i've strummed on a semihollow lp...

BTW, if you want a resonant guitar, get a jazzmaster.  a seafoam green jazzmaster.   :icon_thumright:
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Semi-hollow bodes doesn't usually make them any thinner, it just means they're hollow in some areas. And I'm sure they do vibrate a bit more; I shouldn't speak in absolutes. Saying Les Pauls don't vibrate is obviously not entirely true. But, they don't vibrate like some guitars do, and making them semi-hollow doesn't help much. They're just too small and dense. Between that and the traditional humbuckers, it's what gives them their characteristic sound.
 
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