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Fender Vintage Noiseless experience

I doubt the original humbuckers were designed with side-by-side coils for a reason beyond manufacturing convenience, and the resulting characteristic sound was much more likely a happy accident that I'll bet they didn't even like at first, due to its coloration and lack of fidelity. But, players worked with what they had, and legends grew up around the sounds they created, resulting in the original designers being credited with all sort of prescience they never had.

Leo Fender is a good example of that phenomena with respect to his early tube amp designs. Fact is, for the most part, they weren't his designs. They were reference circuits straight out of the RCA tube manual. Anybody who could read and use a soldering iron could have built those amps. He didn't do anything to make them sound "special", it was the musician's use of them made them desirable. I worked on Fender amps for years without ever having any "Fender" schematics. I just had the engineering manuals from RCA. They only thing they didn't include was I/O, which was obvious from appearance so you didn't need schematics for those sections.

Back to the side-by-side coils... the frequencies that get cancelled are the harmonics that you either can't hear or don't notice, due to the coils sensing the string movement at two different points in time. The coils are very close together, so it's only the very high (audio-wise) frequencies that are affected. It has the effect of a "comb filter", with result being a "darker" sounding pickup. When the coils are stacked, you don't have that phenomena. The resulting sound is actually of a higher fidelity with better dynamics that for some reason many players percieve as "thin" or "weak". Back 100 years ago, all single coils were all thought to sound that way. 
 
Slackjaw said:
Fender "noiseless" are indeed toneless junk... IMHO.

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far, but my experience of noiseless pickups seem to lack that very top end sparkle, its subtle, but it put me off getting some:

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Like most Youtube videos this one actually starts about 2 minutes after the video starts,  :-\

1:51 in this case.
 
Don't forget you can always add the hum,

https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/60HzHumNoiseGenerator.php

Or, for countries who haven't put a man on the moon, the far more sophisticated, nuanced, and lets be honest here, more beautiful 50Hz version:

https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/50HzHumNoiseGenerator.php
 
amigarobbo said:
....far more sophisticated, nuanced, and lets be honest here, more beautiful 50Hz version....
I have to agree with you, DEFINITELY nicer noise!  :laughing11: :laughing3: :laughing7:
 
Sorry, I've had this horrible Man Flu all week, and my sensory perceptions are off a bit.

I also went to see this artist last night:

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Slackjaw said:
Fender "noiseless" are indeed toneless junk...
You missed the point. The very word "toneless" is nonsense because everything that makes any kind of signal at all has a tone. The only thing that is "toneless" is absolute silence.  :icon_thumright:
 
Ok. Finally got everything closed up and the Clapton boost circuit working as intended. I need to get a second nut for the TBX control as the shaft on the pot is too long, and its only supplied with the one nut and a lock washer.

The GFSs give a pretty good account of themselves so far at low volume into my Mustang II on the 1960s British rock preset. With the boost all the way off they really do sound very stratty, but without the noise! The bridge pickup is nice and bright, neck pickup is fantastic and the middle pickup does that middle pickup sound just right. They take very well to the boost, roll it up to 3-4 and you get a good thick sound, wind it up all the way and it really sings.

I'm going to buy a new amp on Friday so once I get that in hand I'm looking forward to trying these out with that. So far so very good though, definitely a solid choice for pickups
 
The best-sounding noiseless single coils on the planet are the Dimarzio "Area" series, or for a bit more output, the Dimarzio "Injector" neck version.  They produce everything you like about the single coil pickup, with none of the things you hate.
 
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