Do you feel......special?
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Superlizard
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I honestly don't give a F what other people think about my Warmoth guitars and/or gear ... most people are tone-deaf sheeple who follow brand names, current trends...
and are clueless when it comes to what makes good tone, playability and bang-for-your-buck.
and are clueless when it comes to what makes good tone, playability and bang-for-your-buck.
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Those arguments make me angry even though I know you quote someone else and they're not your arguments
But the 3rd is a valid one, though. kinda. What if the piece of wood you get is 'dead'? But then you forget, its WARMOTH we're talking about, (or any other customshop!) the shopowner/luthier won't use a piece of dead-sounding subpar wood, cause that will ruin his reputation!
But a warmoth is way more 'logical' to do for me than buying a gibson. I do not like gibson-necks, and I upgrade everything on a gibson anyway. so why not choose a great-looking (and coincidentally souning, or vice versa?) body?
even the most modest flametop from warmoth looks 1000 times more killer than a gibson-top.
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Don't worry about it. Not that a Fender Strat is a bad instrument - far from it - but an instrument can hold you back in more than one way. It can be difficult to play, which will slow you down or discourage you. It can be unattractive, so you don't feel like playing with it. It can sound different from what you'd like, so you're not inspired or encouraged. While some of those things sound superficial, they're real nonetheless and will keep you from progressing. There are untold millions of guitars sitting in closets or under beds that came from well-meaning parents buying their kid a "beginner" instrument, just to see if the kid's serious or people buying that sort of guitar on their own for the same reason. They're often miserable things that are ambition killers. May as well have just thown the money in the trash and saved the aggravation and anxiety of going to the store and picking something out to waste.DesmoDog said:
A great guitar isn't going to make you a great player, any more than a great bike is going to make you a great rider. But, it won't hold you back physically, mentally, or emotionally. It'll allow you to beome great if you work at it, whereas something less may not.
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I don't feel special. I am special.
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I've gotten some oozin' ahs from non-guitar people about the fact that I've assembled two guitars. One tech pretty much laughed at my (non-W) Strat and told me, in no uncertain terms, that it would be crap before even looking at it. Unfortunatley, he's the good tech in town. Everyone loves the W neck on my LPS, but the paint job isn't perfect, so there is definitely some derision there. Time to strip it down and start over! :laughing7:
But for me, there's no competing with the challenge and the sense of satisfaction of building an instrument, even if it is just slapping parts together (I'm not carving teles out of huge burl stumps over here...). So no, not everyone "gets" it, but maybe that's ok.
But for me, there's no competing with the challenge and the sense of satisfaction of building an instrument, even if it is just slapping parts together (I'm not carving teles out of huge burl stumps over here...). So no, not everyone "gets" it, but maybe that's ok.
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Superlizard said:
+1 I also dont give a F what other people think, who cares what anyone thinks or says about it..... I actually built it for me to play, and this ones as good as it gets.....I can only play one at a time what more do I need.
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I started building guitars in highschool as a woodshop project (but never completed one). I always knew about Warmoth, and always dreamed
of building my own guitar, but could never afford it (this was back in '91). Ive always wanted a Dave Murray strat - but I HATE strats. My first
guitar I ever had was a strat, and I would go into the music store and oogle all the Jackson's, ESPs, Charvels, Kramers, etc. with Floyd Rose
trems, humbuckers, killer paintjobs and then I would look at my anemic strat and just get pissed. At the ripe old age of 15 I could play SO
much better on almost any other guitar I picked up.
Fast forward to today, I still loathe strats - I could never understand how they can command such ludacris prices for what they are. I surf Fenders strat
forums on a daily basis and not a week goes by without people posting topics about how they went into their local shop tried out every strat in the place
only to find imperfections and flaws in every one they looked at - bad paint, bad tuners, bad necks. On and on.
Nevertheless, I was excited when Fender released Dave Murray's signature strat, only to see it still didnt have a trem worth a damn and was rather
plain for the insane price of $2k+. I knew with the help of Warmoth, I would build a strat I could love and would kick the crap out of anything I could
actually buy from Fender short of a 'Custom Shop' or 'Masterbuilt' strat that they would charge even more insane amounts for.
So, now I'm almost there. Just waiting for the body to be painted and I'll have a strat that kicks 666 kinds of ass. Warmoth bodies and necks are f-ing incredible,
my build cost so far is a little north of $2k and even though I have yet to play it, I can see its worth every penny. Combined with the hardware and paint it
will truely be a one-of-a-kind axe worthy of a 19 year wait!
ORC
of building my own guitar, but could never afford it (this was back in '91). Ive always wanted a Dave Murray strat - but I HATE strats. My first
guitar I ever had was a strat, and I would go into the music store and oogle all the Jackson's, ESPs, Charvels, Kramers, etc. with Floyd Rose
trems, humbuckers, killer paintjobs and then I would look at my anemic strat and just get pissed. At the ripe old age of 15 I could play SO
much better on almost any other guitar I picked up.
Fast forward to today, I still loathe strats - I could never understand how they can command such ludacris prices for what they are. I surf Fenders strat
forums on a daily basis and not a week goes by without people posting topics about how they went into their local shop tried out every strat in the place
only to find imperfections and flaws in every one they looked at - bad paint, bad tuners, bad necks. On and on.
Nevertheless, I was excited when Fender released Dave Murray's signature strat, only to see it still didnt have a trem worth a damn and was rather
plain for the insane price of $2k+. I knew with the help of Warmoth, I would build a strat I could love and would kick the crap out of anything I could
actually buy from Fender short of a 'Custom Shop' or 'Masterbuilt' strat that they would charge even more insane amounts for.
So, now I'm almost there. Just waiting for the body to be painted and I'll have a strat that kicks 666 kinds of ass. Warmoth bodies and necks are f-ing incredible,
my build cost so far is a little north of $2k and even though I have yet to play it, I can see its worth every penny. Combined with the hardware and paint it
will truely be a one-of-a-kind axe worthy of a 19 year wait!
ORC
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Warmoth is really all about trying to build the perfect guitar for people who haven't found it with a stock guitar, or to a lesser extent people who just like to personalize stuff for the hell of personalizing stuff. There are Warmoth snobs just as there are Fender snobs, Gibson snobs and whatever else. And there are at least as many crappy Warmoth guitars as there are nice ones, since the quality of the finished product depends largely on the buyer, their taste, and their ability to complete the instrument properly.
I like showing off a new guitar just like the next guy, but it's nothing to get all elitest about. Warmoth is very customizable, but in the end they still run the gamut from cheap trash to top-quality instruments. They're dependable construction at a small premium, and have a lot of nice options for experimentation. But they sell parts.
My first introduction to them was by a dude who built a superstrat years ago, and all he ever did was talk about it and how expensive it was and how great it was, and how if I tried them I'd never bother with a MIM Tele again (which I was playing at the time, mid-90s). I really thought his guitar sounded and played terribly, and it looked cartoonish with its custom paint job airbrushed on. If anybody remembers the shitty plastic tone that the guy from Concrete Blonde had in the 80s, that was this guy (had the hair too). And, he couldn't play worth a damn after all that. Meanwhile I'd love to have that $300 MIM tele back, in fact it's probably worth more than that W today. My point is you don't really want to be that guy.
W can also be a crapshoot. With off-the-shelf stuff you can try a finished product, with a W you have to kind of hope for the best once you plug it in. Then there's the non-existent resale value compared to Gibbys or Fender USA.
I like showing off a new guitar just like the next guy, but it's nothing to get all elitest about. Warmoth is very customizable, but in the end they still run the gamut from cheap trash to top-quality instruments. They're dependable construction at a small premium, and have a lot of nice options for experimentation. But they sell parts.
My first introduction to them was by a dude who built a superstrat years ago, and all he ever did was talk about it and how expensive it was and how great it was, and how if I tried them I'd never bother with a MIM Tele again (which I was playing at the time, mid-90s). I really thought his guitar sounded and played terribly, and it looked cartoonish with its custom paint job airbrushed on. If anybody remembers the shitty plastic tone that the guy from Concrete Blonde had in the 80s, that was this guy (had the hair too). And, he couldn't play worth a damn after all that. Meanwhile I'd love to have that $300 MIM tele back, in fact it's probably worth more than that W today. My point is you don't really want to be that guy.
W can also be a crapshoot. With off-the-shelf stuff you can try a finished product, with a W you have to kind of hope for the best once you plug it in. Then there's the non-existent resale value compared to Gibbys or Fender USA.
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I doubt anyone here feels "superior" about their choice of guitar source. I don't know how anyone could. For our situations, this just makes more sense to us than the alternatives. Nothing superior about that. It's a judgement call based on needs, experience and available resources. Even "special" isn't a good description. The kid across the street from me is "special". At 10 years old, he's got fewer skills than your average chimp, and a smaller vocabulary. So, what does that leave us with? How about "enlightened"? That might sit a little better, but it still implies that the majority are less than responsible, pragmatic or worse. Nothing good, anyway.
Everybody has different reasons for making the choices they do. The person that walks out of a music store with a new fiddle ready to wank and crank has accomplished a lot in a very short period of time. There's something to said for that. Those who build their fiddles from preconfigured parts can end up with a higher or at least equal quality instrument for substantially less money, but they have to have a certain skill level, make a time investment, as well as invest a decent amount of money. Those who can build them from scratch take that a step further, saving even more money, but spending more time. Of course, they gain a bit in configuration and setup. So, whatever's best for you.
Everybody has different reasons for making the choices they do. The person that walks out of a music store with a new fiddle ready to wank and crank has accomplished a lot in a very short period of time. There's something to said for that. Those who build their fiddles from preconfigured parts can end up with a higher or at least equal quality instrument for substantially less money, but they have to have a certain skill level, make a time investment, as well as invest a decent amount of money. Those who can build them from scratch take that a step further, saving even more money, but spending more time. Of course, they gain a bit in configuration and setup. So, whatever's best for you.
I don't really feel special for having put the guitars together. I don't really think it's that difficult to do. I feel special for having the creative spark to pick everything out and make it work visually, the drive to study up on all the parts and make an educated decision on what I want on my guitar based on how those parts will work together, and the courage to spend money on something that isn't assembled yet and I could mess up on. A lot of people don't have even one of those elements in their personality let alone all three of those.
So I guess when I talk to someone who has a burning need to buy a stock Fender or Gibson and that's the only thing that will do it for them, I don't really think that they're inferior or that they're wasting their money or anything like that, I just think of them as not being very imaginative. It's okay with me if that's what they want though, not everyone is good at the same things. It is kind of stupid when people who have no experience with Warmoth talk crap on it, but I don't have to be friends with those people. :icon_biggrin:
I do think it's weird to buy a guitar for the resale value though. That has never made any sense to me.
So I guess when I talk to someone who has a burning need to buy a stock Fender or Gibson and that's the only thing that will do it for them, I don't really think that they're inferior or that they're wasting their money or anything like that, I just think of them as not being very imaginative. It's okay with me if that's what they want though, not everyone is good at the same things. It is kind of stupid when people who have no experience with Warmoth talk crap on it, but I don't have to be friends with those people. :icon_biggrin:
I do think it's weird to buy a guitar for the resale value though. That has never made any sense to me.
I don't feel "special" well maybe "special ed." But hey I had a great time building all my home builds. And some of us don't just assemble parts, I build what I can from scratch and let warmoth help me with what I can't. To me the build is the part that I look forward to the most. Well that and the ladies throwing their under garments at me when I play. who new so many ladies wore rotten tomatoes and rocks in place of underwear?
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