Crazy California

[Jusatele]

o I open the paper and there it is, Our AIR QUALITY RESOURCE BOARD, that is a group of people who can make a law without a vote by the public and make huge fines for not complying, has just decided that fire places cause pollution. So they are coming up with a plan, We are going have a study to determine when we will be able to have fires in our fireplaces and how much fuel we can consume. WTF. I now am told I have to check to see if it is a day I am allowed to have a fire? What ever happened to being cold?
This is getting out of hand, they are comparing our chimneys to a Big Rigs exhaust pipe, seriously they are, but they will not regulate a big rigs exhaust because of the pressure from the industry so in order to cut pollution they are going to regulate my chimney?  :icon_scratch:

 

[OzziePete]

o I open the paper and there it is, Our AIR QUALITY RESOURCE BOARD, that is a group of people who can make a law without a vote by the public and make huge fines for not complying, has just decided that fire places cause pollution. So they are coming up with a plan, We are going have a study to determine when we will be able to have fires in our fireplaces and how much fuel we can consume. WTF. I now am told I have to check to see if it is a day I am allowed to have a fire? What ever happened to being cold?
This is getting out of hand, they are comparing our chimneys to a Big Rigs exhaust pipe, seriously they are, but they will not regulate a big rigs exhaust because of the pressure from the industry so in order to cut pollution they are going to regulate my chimney?  :icon_scratch:

I know the bureauocracy is getting out of hand, we have it here too with all sorts of regulations that seem crazy.

But diesel engines have been getting cleaner and now produce less pollution than most old petrol engined cars! See Euro 5 technology and standards....link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards

I regularly drive buses that comply with the Euro 5 standard, and our organisation is so comfortable with the lack of pollution emanating from the exhaust, they now have the exhaust pipe back down on the ground. In past years, buses have been compelled to run the exhaust pipes upwards from the engine bay & into the air so the passengers at the back don't get fumed out by particulant matter. Now that is not required with Euro 5 standard buses, that's how clean a diesel engine can run these days. Oh, and the performance from those engines is great, they don't seem throttled down at all!

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

The rest of the country is usually 5 to 10 years behind California with stuff like this, so I guess we can all expect it soon.

 

[OzziePete]

Don't worry, concerns about domestic fireplaces in Australia have also been the subject of local council regulation and building development standards too. In most places of Australia, we'd only need a fireplace maybe 4 months or so of the year when winter is at it's worst.  :sad1:

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

that is a group of people who can make a law without a vote by the public

This part actually doesn't seem that stange.  That's how most laws are made, isn't it?  We vote for legislators and they make laws that we don't vote on.

 

[DocNrock]

Where does most of our electricity come from?  Burning coal!  CARB also recently passed a law prohibiting the use of UNLEADED race gas in street sports cars that are tracked on occasion.  We are becoming the People's Republic of Khalifornia.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

A coal plant has the equivalent of a giant catalytic converter on it, doesn't it?  Houses don't.  The polution thing seems like a drop in the bucket compared to the wild fire polution every other year.  Granted, those aren't intentional, but that's got to give off a lot more polution than controlled fireplaces a few months out of the year.

 

[Velcro]

that is a group of people who can make a law without a vote by the public

This part actually doesn't seem that stange.  That's how most laws are made, isn't it?  We vote for legislators and they make laws that we don't vote on.

Does he not mean that the constituency representatives do not vote on it?

 

[Jusatele]

that is a group of people who can make a law without a vote by the public

This part actually doesn't seem that stange.  That's how most laws are made, isn't it?  We vote for legislators and they make laws that we don't vote on.

Does he not mean that the constituency representatives do not vote on it?

It means CARB makes a regulation, they are a group of unelected individuals whose job is to oversee our air quality, and w have to go by it, even though they are hired, not elected and no one oversees them.
They make the policy for Smog control, emission standards etc, and what they request never gets a turn down, it just gets approved no matter how stupid. We have had major industry leave the state because it was cheaper to relocate, stop in production, retrain, and build a new plant somewhere else than to comply with ridiculous time lines and non existent technology.
Like GE jet turbine rebuilding plant relocated to GA because they wanted a Zero emission test facility for rebuilt jet engines.
Now how stupid is that, You have no smog on the turbine once in a Aircraft, and they idle those things all the time, but a facility rebuilding the turbines need to have a zero emission building to test fire one off. Not to mention that the site was at an airport, but they needed to soundproof the building so no noise pollution, I mean you stop noise of a test in a airport where every few minutes a Jet is taking off?

 

[hannaugh]

I used to be proud and happy that I lived in California.  Nowadays, like lots and lots of businesses and other taxpayers, I can't wait to get out of this state before it completely implodes from total fiscal and regulatory insanity.  I'm sure when I come back to visit 10 years after I leave, there will only be extremely wealthy people and the illegal immigrants who work for them left because hardly anyone else will have a job.

I knew I was in a bad situation when I intervened on coyotes attacking my dog twice, and animal control told me that if I did anything that harmed or relocated the coyotes that were living in my neighbor's empty lot, that I would be breaking the law (even if they were directly attacking me, my family, or my animals).  I can actually shoot a person in self defense and it's justifiable, but if I shoot a coyote, I can look forward to huge fines and possibly jail time.  A place that puts the rights of animals over the rights of people is not a good place to live. 

 

[AGWAN]

Vigilantie Justice, buy a 22, some hefty bags and make sure you pile the Coyote Corpses at the BOTTOM of the trash can.  :evil4:

 

[Jusatele]

Vigilantie Justice, buy a 22, some hefty bags and make sure you pile the Coyote Corpses at the BOTTOM of the trash can.  :evil4:

now in Ca that is worse than murder
Seems about  5 years ago they had a Mountain Lion attack and kill a lady Jogger on a jogging path, so do they hunt and kill this lion? No, the sedate it and relocate it so it will have no contact with humans.
OK, so this lion is now eating humans, has learned they are easy prey, and we allow it to live? Possibly attacking a hiker in the wilderness? Oh well the hiker will be in the lions environment so that is their risk.

 

[crash]

I used to be proud and happy that I lived in California.  Nowadays, like lots and lots of businesses and other taxpayers, I can't wait to get out of this state before it completely implodes from total fiscal and regulatory insanity.  I'm sure when I come back to visit 10 years after I leave, there will only be extremely wealthy people and the illegal immigrants who work for them left because hardly anyone else will have a job.

I knew I was in a bad situation when I intervened on coyotes attacking my dog twice, and animal control told me that if I did anything that harmed or relocated the coyotes that were living in my neighbor's empty lot, that I would be breaking the law (even if they were directly attacking me, my family, or my animals).  I can actually shoot a person in self defense and it's justifiable, but if I shoot a coyote, I can look forward to huge fines and possibly jail time.  A place that puts the rights of animals over the rights of people is not a good place to live. 

Sponge soaked in bacon grease tied up in a tight little ball with string.  Coyote likes bacon grease, eats sponge, stomach acid dissolves the string, sponge expands, dead coyote. 

 

[vic108]

I used to be proud and happy that I lived in California.  Nowadays, like lots and lots of businesses and other taxpayers, I can't wait to get out of this state before it completely implodes from total fiscal and regulatory insanity.  I'm sure when I come back to visit 10 years after I leave, there will only be extremely wealthy people and the illegal immigrants who work for them left because hardly anyone else will have a job.

I knew I was in a bad situation when I intervened on coyotes attacking my dog twice, and animal control told me that if I did anything that harmed or relocated the coyotes that were living in my neighbor's empty lot, that I would be breaking the law (even if they were directly attacking me, my family, or my animals).  I can actually shoot a person in self defense and it's justifiable, but if I shoot a coyote, I can look forward to huge fines and possibly jail time.  A place that puts the rights of animals over the rights of people is not a good place to live. 

Sponge soaked in bacon grease tied up in a tight little ball with string.  Coyote likes bacon grease, eats sponge, stomach acid dissolves the string, sponge expands, dead coyote. 

Yes, an old good trick but make sure the dogs don't get a hold of it!

 

[line6man]

I used to be proud and happy that I lived in California.  Nowadays, like lots and lots of businesses and other taxpayers, I can't wait to get out of this state before it completely implodes from total fiscal and regulatory insanity.  I'm sure when I come back to visit 10 years after I leave, there will only be extremely wealthy people and the illegal immigrants who work for them left because hardly anyone else will have a job.

I knew I was in a bad situation when I intervened on coyotes attacking my dog twice, and animal control told me that if I did anything that harmed or relocated the coyotes that were living in my neighbor's empty lot, that I would be breaking the law (even if they were directly attacking me, my family, or my animals).  I can actually shoot a person in self defense and it's justifiable, but if I shoot a coyote, I can look forward to huge fines and possibly jail time.  A place that puts the rights of animals over the rights of people is not a good place to live. 

Sponge soaked in bacon grease tied up in a tight little ball with string.  Coyote likes bacon grease, eats sponge, stomach acid dissolves the string, sponge expands, dead coyote. 

Or you could just poison the grease. :dontknow:

 

[AGWAN]

Where is the sadism in THAT?!

You freakin' hippie.

 

[exaN]

You have fireplaces in California?? Didn't know it could get that cold lol.

 

[Jusatele]

I live in Riverside, abouot 60 miles east of Los Angeles. In about a month I will have the choice of driving 1 hour to the beach, or 1 hour to a ski slope
Great place to live  if you ask me

 

[AGWAN]

I live in Ogden Utah, I can drive ten minutes and be at some of the finest slopes on earth. and they last more than half the year.

Bummer I hate sking...

the summers are gorgeous and temperate though... xD

 

[line6man]

You have fireplaces in California?? Didn't know it could get that cold lol.

Years ago, I lived in a house with four fireplaces. Only three of them were ever used, though.
Fireplaces are pretty useless in CA though. As I've stated before, I have never seen snow in my life, and I'm freezing my ass off at anything below 50 degrees. :blob7: