Convince me (noisleless vs. old-school)

DiMitriR33 said:
watch out there jack is an engineer for a major cell phone company or something, FCC regulations and RF emission are his thing.

ok my take on it is that a pc wouldn't be good for a professional studio, now if you want a little home recording setup it'll do just fine, the big CRT monitors produce the most noise that i can tell. and with these new intel macs an apple wouldn't be a bad idea, they can run windows if you like your pc.

Well, I'm not saying Jack is wrong, I am simply relating my experience with them.  I know of at least two professional, successful studios in my area that are entirely built around Windows PCs.  They have turned out some top-shelf recordings, too.  But considering that there's a lot of hardware and software companies that are marketing serious, pro-grade equipment to PC systems, I'm confident that a PC can make for a professional studio.

However, as Jack noted in his subsequent reply, I doubt that pro studios are going to be using Blue Light Special systems to be the DAW.  I personally build my own PCs and have built a few thousand PCs over the years, so I'm comfortable using them for this purpose.  You have to buy high performance parts if you want a high performance machine and a DAW requires high performance, not bargain basement.

My apologies for diverting this thread...

JBD
 
I don't like the Fender SCN's.... to me they just don't give a good single coil sound...

But hey, that's just my opinion
 
Definitely go with the noiseless for recording. My main studio guitar is a noiseless Tele and it works great. That being said the Tele I use on stage has Fralin pickups and it's maybe the best sounding guitar I have.
 
1. Computers, interference, and DAW: The monitor is going to be your major source of RF, besides outputting radiation to your eyeballs and sucking electricity. Go LCD ASAP. Except for that, a bargain basement PC (with a good, quiet fan) is FINE for recording. I do all my home recording on my 3 yr old laptop, I keep it about 6 ft away from the instrument when recording. Never an issue. You need a high-end PC for video editing, games, and nothing else unless you're a hacker. Switching to a mac just for home recording doesn't make sense either - you've got to ditch all your good software, get used to the new OS, bla bla bla - no fun. And what's up with the lame "buck rogers" mac design that everyone is gaga over? I'd rather have John Hodgman at my desk than a smarmy smirking college kid any day.

2. I don't have any noiseless pups but I'm about to order those new ones from GFS for my budget hardtail project, they're cheap enough that it's easy to play around. pups are so easy to resell on Ebay too, trying out different ones isn't that big a deal.

 
tfarny said:
I do all my home recording on my 3 yr old laptop, I keep it about 6 ft away from the instrument when recording. Never an issue.

Funny you should mention that, but I've used my laptop for recording live and had all kinds of serious noise issues.  Not all the time, but most of the time.  I also had issues using it as a synth running Absynth or whatever.  Very noisy.  So I got me a stereo passive direct box with ground lift and all the noise goes away.  But that's just your garden variety ground loop problem and isn't limited to PC hardware.

JBD
 
I've made a number of recordings with my computer that sound OK - not great because I'm using the line in on a typical Soundblaster Live! soundcard - so the conversion from analog to digital isn't so great. But it's OK for my purposes right now. I haven't noticed any issues with noise - but I do have LCD monitors so maybe if i didn't I'd have some more problems. I never really move away from the equipment, but I guess it's at a minimum of like 6 feet away no matter what. I also have a 1 watt FM transmitter in the same room and I've never noticed any noise from that either. I wonder if I ever get a tube amp if I'll have trouble with that.
 
To throw my tuppence in, I had a MIM Tele with a Vintage Noiseless neck pup, and that was one of the BEST neck pup tones I've EVER had!
It was so fat a tone it even made some of my strats and Humbucker equipped geetars sound weak by comparison. It sounded great clean and even better dirty!

When I do my next project guitar...I'm DEFINITELY getting a Vintage Noiseless neck pup!
 
There's a difference between RF interference and noise that's introduced by using a crappy stock sound card. I use a toneport with my laptop and haven't had noise issues.
 
tfarny said:
Switching to a mac just for home recording doesn't make sense either - you've got to ditch all your good software, get used to the new OS, bla bla bla - no fun.

Um, not to sound too much like a mac fanboy, but Garageband is at least as good as any budget DAW for windows, and it comes with the computer.  Not to mention "all the good software" comes in Mac flavours, and the learning curve isn't very steep at all, the biggest difference is keyboard shortcuts use the "apple" key (where the alt key is on windows keyboards) instead of the "ctrl" key, and you have to quit programs instead of just "X-ing out" of them. 
Just for recording may be a little exhorbitant though, I agree.  I'd say if you're in the market for a new compy, consider a mac, the rock-solid OS is second only to some Linux distro's, but you can't buy DAW for Linux.
That said, I recently traded my 6+ year old iBook for a pieced-together PC box as my main compy.  I refuse to run Vista though.  I would've thought they would have learned to not release horrible OS's after Windows 95.  Or Windows ME.  Or pre-SP2 XP...
 
I have ProTools.  Got it when I got the MBox 2 Mini.  Is it overkill, yes.  Is is a pain to set up, yes.  Did I get a book to help me figure it out, yes.  But...  In the same vein as building a guitar with Warmoth parts, figuring out which pickups sound the best to you, and setting the guitar up with the correct action, control features, strings and what ever other voodoo that is required, once you get it to where you like it it is fairly simple.  That was a horrible run on.  It allows for a myriad of drop in functions, if that is you thing, it works on either Mac or Win, and is the industry standard.

I am not saying it is easy, but with a little effort setting it up, it does the simple tasks I want it to.  And finally, I like the way either of the styles of guitar I have (noisy pickups or quite shielded cable pickup) sound through it.
Patrick

 
I use a TonePort UX2 with my Core 2 Duo iMac and I have never had any noise issues at all.  Prior to getting the UX2 I was using a USB 2 input box from M-Audio and I never had any noise issues from that either. 
 
jackthehack said:
Hmmm, let's see... Most of the music you've heard from Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Rory Gallagher, Buddy Guy, John Mayer, David Gilmour, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Roy Buchanan, Mark Knopfler, Jeff Beck, etc, etc., etc., was recorded with those nasty old "noisy" pickups...

Kudos for mentioning Rory!

:rock-on:

But down to seriousness.....

You have two choices on this situation:  it all depends on whether or not you care to dinker with either your computer equipment or your hardware. I work as a PC specialist for a major hospital in Green Bay, WI, and before that I was a computer technician for Northern Michigan University. In addition to that, I was a go-to guy for a lot of guitar players on campus due to the fact that I would take labor payments in a cold case of Miller High Life for little jobs, or whatever could be swung.

Now, if you want to dinker with your computer equipment, here are some things to know. I agree with an earlier poster when he stated that Steve Jobs is an arrogant ass!  While yes, Apple does build slick stuff, its a bear to use if you're the rest of the world, and would honestly care to have a computer with just a shred of logic being used in the thought process of designing and building it. Ferrari tried it a few years ago, when it was found that compassion and enthusiasm got them to move fast, up to the point when the car would explode in a compassionate and enthusiastic fireball. When they decided to use a little logic in designing their cars, things got a ton better (anyone who ever watches Top Gear regularily on BBC America knows where I'm going).

With going with a PC, go to an acutal computer store - don't bellyache to us if you bought your computer at the same place you bought your socks and undies. The only computer-related thing I ever bought at Wal-Mart or Target was a stack of CD-Rs. And even at electronics stores, there are some things to avoid. I recommend going away from HP or Compaq's stuff. The main reason I say that is due to the corner-cutting that has been running rampant since they merged with Compaq eight years ago. They have gotten away with flooding the market with laptops built by the lowest-cost parts and selling them nearly anywhere that they can. In addition, they don't have a lot of knockout proprietary support sofware, at least in comparison to their competitors. Dell makes a great product as long as you don't skimp. With their direct-buy customization capabilities, you can get a computer that has all the bells and whistles you want with it. If you're ordering this for recording purposes, honestly spend up. With the way that Dell can build these computers, the components will last over a decade if you annually blow the dust out of them. The best deal that I have found has been Lenovo, or what used to be IBM's consumer division. The computers are built well, are reasonably priced, and, espcially on the ThinkPad (which I consider the Fender Stratocaster of the computer world), the proprietary sofware is outstanding. They have programs that help you update your drivers with ease, and even have a battery guage to let you know how much juice is left on your laptop when running off of batteries.

Now, if dinkering with your guitar is what you have in mind, you could go either way on the pickups. Noiseless or "stacked" pickups are a practical way to go, but you won't get that heavenly sound you're lusting over. It'll be a little brighter and colder tone than vintage pickups, but you can easily warm that sound up with leaning up the knobs on your amp a little and getting a pinch more distortion out of it. The other thing I would also think of trying in your situation is adding what's called a dummy coil. I think back to the Gibson Blueshawk, which incorporated this design. While they were homely in some people's mind and a little out-of-the-ordinary for a Gibson model (poplar body comes to mind), the dummy coil really did keep the buzz down, and still offered a little bit of a warmed growl to it. I tried one out up in college, when a friend of mine was trying to get rid of it to up the ante to an SG. His landlord had installed flourescent strip lights in his room, and those gave a lot of buzz on his MIM Strat. P-90s also fought the same problem in there too - he had a buddy who had an Eastwood Delta 6.  The dummy coil concept impressed me to the point where we actually wired a Squire tele neck pickup in series with the P-90, and epoxied it to the bottom of the pickup. I also added an additional pot to pull back the connection between the two pickups-the concept worked out quite well, almost like haing a variable coil tap. The Tele pickup was strong enough to buck the hum and the noise, but was weak enough where it didn't impede the performance of the 90.

 
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