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Vol. Knob said:
That is absofreakinlutely hilarious. I think that was my Lili when she went missing for a couple of days - I'm sure of it.
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That is absofreakinlutely hilarious. I think that was my Lili when she went missing for a couple of days - I'm sure of it.
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Vol. Knob said:
I witnessed my childhood cat, a declawed persian, chasing two large hunting dogs out of out yard. I have seen those same two dogs attack and kill a full grown goat. The power of a cat is pretty mysterious.
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So, I'm not sure how to say... not even sure what is going on and what should I do...
But talking with the girls from NGO and we kinda get into a decision that I'm letting the poor kittens back there... Kinda like I didn't adapt myself to them and therefore they didn't to me...
Feeling like the bastard fricking them :sad:
But talking with the girls from NGO and we kinda get into a decision that I'm letting the poor kittens back there... Kinda like I didn't adapt myself to them and therefore they didn't to me...
Feeling like the bastard fricking them :sad:
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It's tough adopting cats after a certain age of the cat. Sometimes it doesn't work. I gave back a cat once. Best thing to do for us. We were going to give fatty back because she was adopted much later than her sister. She ended up being eaten by a coyote so maybe it is for the best what you're going to do. Best of luck.
I just adopted a cat, a female tabby. Four years old. She was brought to the vet at about 8 months old, ready to have kittens. All the kittens got homes but the mom stayed at the vet for three years, in a cage mostly. She used to freak out when they put her in the adoption display. To make a long story short - I asked the vet for a hard to adopt cat, and got her. In a home setting - she's a very well behaved cat, gets along just great with the other cat I've got. Maybe I got lucky.
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I hear you - every time I see the cats in the cages for adoption, I think - my wife's dog would be snatched up in 10 seconds, because some Dachshund rescue would get him. My cat would be the evil cat hissing and spitting in the back of the cage. Totally not like that at home, but she's a scaredy cat and does not like strange environments (like the pet store) at all. That was perhaps the biggest reason I got her microchipped, so she wouldn't get put down just for being evil to the handlers at the pound before I could find her.
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Good for you =CB=. My wife finally got a subscription to Cat Fancy. It was a proofs of purchase reward thingy. Casually reading while in the sitting/thinking position, it's just a paid advertisement for breeders. Backyard breeders and breed snobbery are ruining the true joys of pet ownership. If one believes in rewards past this life, there's got to be a special place for those that can appreciate and take care of the things that no one else would appreciate and take care of.
There is a good reason to have breeders around (they raise a huge amount of the money that goes into finding cures for pet diseases, they try to breed out genetic diseases, etc.), but if you want a great pet, it's always good to adopt an animal that no one else wants.
Really though, a good breeder will always care for any animal they have bred that cannot be sold or ends up homeless for some reason. When we got my Basenji, we had to sign a contract that said if we couldn't take care of him at some point, that we were required to hand him back over to the breeder or at least consult her and let her know who was going to take care of him if we wanted to give him to someone else so that she would know he was in good hands.
Really though, a good breeder will always care for any animal they have bred that cannot be sold or ends up homeless for some reason. When we got my Basenji, we had to sign a contract that said if we couldn't take care of him at some point, that we were required to hand him back over to the breeder or at least consult her and let her know who was going to take care of him if we wanted to give him to someone else so that she would know he was in good hands.
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Probably most of the problem is because I'm really bad emotionally now... from rage to depression passing on everyone corner of the storm...
Don't know, today they're beautifull and calm, probably because I had the first night *sleeping* in weeks... This is a really tough decision, but... I guess will be the better to them...
Don't know, today they're beautifull and calm, probably because I had the first night *sleeping* in weeks... This is a really tough decision, but... I guess will be the better to them...
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hannaugh said:
That may be a 1% er thing about giving back, but most are in it purely for financial gain. Also, purebreds of most breeds are usually bred for a look and that brings other genetic problems. Mutts are usually the most loyal, smartest, well rounded, and healthiest breeds. How oftyen have you heard _____________ breed is more succeptable to ______________, or _______________ hav e chronic ____________. But none of that is the point I meant. It unnecessarily over populates when there are plenty of good animals that need homes and are destroyed already.
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I've been known to toss $50 and a truly stray kitten to my Vet, who fixes 'em up if need be, immunizes them, and puts 'em up for adoption. Anyone wanting a cat wants a kitten it seems. They go fast. So the choice was easy to make when taking the older cat.
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I've joked for years about a kitten lease program the way people do cars. I bet it'd be wildly popular. Honestly, when my cat was a kitten it was cute for a few weeks but after a while I was longing for her to calm down a bit. Just not this much.
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I came home tonight and sat down to peruse the forums and my cat Lili jumped on the keyboard and wrote what you see above and I am telling the honest truth. I was even replying to this thread about cat lovers. She was purring like crazy and obviously she stayed put for a second while I gave her a pet, thus the repeated letters.
I think it is an omen for Joselito.
My wife and I decided today to get Lili a new kitten sibling from the shelter. She's really lonely since her sister died.
Cheers
I came home tonight and sat down to peruse the forums and my cat Lili jumped on the keyboard and wrote what you see above and I am telling the honest truth. I was even replying to this thread about cat lovers. She was purring like crazy and obviously she stayed put for a second while I gave her a pet, thus the repeated letters.
I think it is an omen for Joselito.
My wife and I decided today to get Lili a new kitten sibling from the shelter. She's really lonely since her sister died.
Cheers
No offense dude, but I know a lot more about breeding than you do. I know like 30 dog breeders. They are good people who devote their lives to the betterment of the breed. They do not do it for financial gain. They usually make back about the same amount that they invested when they sell a litter of puppies, depending on the size of the litter. I was in a Basenji club with these people, and they knew who the bad breeders were (the "puppy mill" people), and the rule was that anyone wanting to join the club had to be voted in because they didn't want to include those types of people. They also reported those types of breeders to the authorities and did everything they could to tell people who were interested in the breed to not support them. There are strict guidelines for screening out genetic diseases, and a good certified breeder is expected to avoid breeding dogs that have a tendency for those traits, no matter how pretty that dog might be. If anyone in the breeder community suspects that you are doing otherwise, you can expect to get your ass handed to you and be ostracized from the dog breeding community. One of the breeders I know is actually an animal control officer who specializes in raiding puppy mills and hoarder homes.
This club I was in constantly held fundraisers for raising money for pet health research. In fact, in the time I was there, they raised a lot of money for an eye disease that sight hounds get, and a cure was actually found. Also, nearly all of these people would gladly take back any dog that they had bred that might end up in a shelter.
Many of them were involved in the Basenji Rescue, which will take any dog that is at least 1/4 Basenji. Many of the rescue organizations will take mutts as long as their mutt is partly that breed. For example, I found a half Shiba Inu in the street, and the rescue organization said that if I had trouble finding a home for him, they would come pick him up (and the guy was prepared to drive down from Northern CA to get him).
The breeder I mentioned earlier who makes you sign a contract stating that you have to consult her if you can't take care of your dog anymore; she's been a great friend to my family for 15 years. I have seen her take back dogs that she bred who were 13-15 years old. I have seen her take back dogs that were not "show quality" and had behavioral problems. I have seen her take care of a puppy that was born with bad cataracts and nobody wanted (until she finally found a home for her a year or two later. Cute dog, I wish I could have taken her). She does it out of love for her dogs, she does not do it for profit, and she does not do it because she is competing with other breeders. She takes them back because those dogs are her responsibility. She also requires any dog going to a non-show home to have the dog spayed or neutered, which is also a normal thing among good breeders.
You might have your suspicions about people who breed animals, and you should. There are some bad breeders out there. But puppy mills and backyard breeding is definitely not encouraged by the AKC or any other breeding authority, and all of the good breeders out there (I guarantee you it is more than 1%) are firmly against those types of practices, and they do raise a very large percentage of the money that goes into anti-disease research.
This club I was in constantly held fundraisers for raising money for pet health research. In fact, in the time I was there, they raised a lot of money for an eye disease that sight hounds get, and a cure was actually found. Also, nearly all of these people would gladly take back any dog that they had bred that might end up in a shelter.
Many of them were involved in the Basenji Rescue, which will take any dog that is at least 1/4 Basenji. Many of the rescue organizations will take mutts as long as their mutt is partly that breed. For example, I found a half Shiba Inu in the street, and the rescue organization said that if I had trouble finding a home for him, they would come pick him up (and the guy was prepared to drive down from Northern CA to get him).
The breeder I mentioned earlier who makes you sign a contract stating that you have to consult her if you can't take care of your dog anymore; she's been a great friend to my family for 15 years. I have seen her take back dogs that she bred who were 13-15 years old. I have seen her take back dogs that were not "show quality" and had behavioral problems. I have seen her take care of a puppy that was born with bad cataracts and nobody wanted (until she finally found a home for her a year or two later. Cute dog, I wish I could have taken her). She does it out of love for her dogs, she does not do it for profit, and she does not do it because she is competing with other breeders. She takes them back because those dogs are her responsibility. She also requires any dog going to a non-show home to have the dog spayed or neutered, which is also a normal thing among good breeders.
You might have your suspicions about people who breed animals, and you should. There are some bad breeders out there. But puppy mills and backyard breeding is definitely not encouraged by the AKC or any other breeding authority, and all of the good breeders out there (I guarantee you it is more than 1%) are firmly against those types of practices, and they do raise a very large percentage of the money that goes into anti-disease research.
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That is such a good rant Hannaugh
I totally agree about breeders, I am a huge Boxer fan, and know the breed, I usually have 3 around the house. I see so many people with so many bad examples of Boxers because this or that were mixed in to get a bigger than standard dog. And those doing such usually are not professional breeders, they are back yard breeders that are not doing any favors toward the breed, or the industry at all. I have seen a lot of those operations to that the guys are all hyped about their dogs. Now I buy from established professional breeders and most of those actually sit you down and talk to you before deciding if they will sell you a dog, even before you are allowed to meet any puppies.
The difference is amazing. As is the quality of both health and breeding of the dogs you get.
I would imagine the same goes for Cat breeders, even though most of the cats I have ever owned are alley cats.
I totally agree about breeders, I am a huge Boxer fan, and know the breed, I usually have 3 around the house. I see so many people with so many bad examples of Boxers because this or that were mixed in to get a bigger than standard dog. And those doing such usually are not professional breeders, they are back yard breeders that are not doing any favors toward the breed, or the industry at all. I have seen a lot of those operations to that the guys are all hyped about their dogs. Now I buy from established professional breeders and most of those actually sit you down and talk to you before deciding if they will sell you a dog, even before you are allowed to meet any puppies.
The difference is amazing. As is the quality of both health and breeding of the dogs you get.
I would imagine the same goes for Cat breeders, even though most of the cats I have ever owned are alley cats.
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Lose the condescension, dude. Neither one of us knows what the other knows.
My opinion is based on what I've seen. Pounds full of animals waiting to be destroyed, while pet stores sell them at premium prices. I've seen breeding create problems that didn't exist solely for a look. Pugs that can't breath, Persians with infected tear ducts, etc. etc. For every good breeder you know, there's a Home Depot or Wal-Mart parking lot or a flea market creating a market there's no need for.
My opinion is based on what I've seen. Pounds full of animals waiting to be destroyed, while pet stores sell them at premium prices. I've seen breeding create problems that didn't exist solely for a look. Pugs that can't breath, Persians with infected tear ducts, etc. etc. For every good breeder you know, there's a Home Depot or Wal-Mart parking lot or a flea market creating a market there's no need for.
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the very fact that dachshunds exist is saddening to me, that someone would breed such a mutant with such problems. I have trouble even seeing it as cute - it's deformed and cruel. And they at least were a working dog bred for a purpose other than 'looks cute'. Selective breeding is fine within limits, but not for the purpose of making freaks of nature.
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