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Fish Out of Water
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Umm, yeah, I agree. All of these guys are light years ahead of me technically and I've been playing guitar for 20 years!! (How depressing...) But they are all missing one key ingredient in their playing. I don't feel or hear any emotion or feel in their playing. I wish and would give my left nut to have that kind of technical ability, but I am just not convinced about how they feel about what they are playing. To be able to play a zillion notes is impressive, but I'm more impressed by a guy who can hit one note that makes the hair on my arms stand up. SRV, I miss you...
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I agree to a certain degree. Technical proficiency is just a tool like any other guitar playing skill.
Playing fast does not a great guitar player make, but that doesn't mean that you can't be a great
guitar player and have the ability to shred. It's like having a fast car isn't going to make you a
great driver but you can be a great driver and own a fast car.
And I disagree with the statement that it's easy to play this quickly and this precisely. I mean it
isn't quantum physics difficult, it's just repetition and time but you could say that about any
aspect of guitar playing.
To be honest I'm not a big fan of shreding myself, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, its a nice tool
to have at your disposal. I think more than anything it's been given a bad name by a bunch of
players who have concentrated on the technicality of it more than the musicality of it. But when it's used
in the right context it still makes me feel as enthusiastic about the instrument as I did when I first
started playing.
For example:
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Playing fast does not a great guitar player make, but that doesn't mean that you can't be a great
guitar player and have the ability to shred. It's like having a fast car isn't going to make you a
great driver but you can be a great driver and own a fast car.
And I disagree with the statement that it's easy to play this quickly and this precisely. I mean it
isn't quantum physics difficult, it's just repetition and time but you could say that about any
aspect of guitar playing.
To be honest I'm not a big fan of shreding myself, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, its a nice tool
to have at your disposal. I think more than anything it's been given a bad name by a bunch of
players who have concentrated on the technicality of it more than the musicality of it. But when it's used
in the right context it still makes me feel as enthusiastic about the instrument as I did when I first
started playing.
For example:
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I find that exact thing around the 5 minute 07 mark.
Why does everyone offer up their left nut? What about old righty?
Say what you will, but those guys are awesome. I love the blues, and sometimes it seems like the simpler the better. And nothing beats playing music with others, but I really enjoyed watching them play. No amount of practice could get me to that level I am afraid.
Say what you will, but those guys are awesome. I love the blues, and sometimes it seems like the simpler the better. And nothing beats playing music with others, but I really enjoyed watching them play. No amount of practice could get me to that level I am afraid.
Fish Out of Water
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I would NEVER say that playing quickly and precisely was easy and I didn't say that. All of these guys have an ability and an agility on the guitar that I'll probably never have and yes, it makes me a bit jealous. All that I'm saying is that feel is something that they might want to develop. The guy in the last video is a smoking hot player. I've been working on my technical ability for years and I'm still no where near these guys...Gives me more of a reason to keep playin
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misplacedsanity
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Sorry Fish, is wasn't you I was referring to about saying playing fast wasn't
difficult it was a reply to ildars quote
difficult it was a reply to ildars quote
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ildar
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Well, considering that after Yngwie dropped back in the early 80's, in 6 months you couldn't swing a stick without hitting a "neoclassic metaller", and that 12 year olds are shredding now, you can't convince me that it's difficult. It's all muscle repetition, and for the most part, music repetition. Nobody'ssaying anything different. It's telling that these kids are playing classical pieces and not anything "original".
Pure guitar wankery.Great talent though and I'm sure he's got some nicer classical pieces up his sleeve, but why would anyone want to play crap music like that. I like all guitar based music, but this shred business is just too much for me. :sad1:
No offence intended. :icon_tongue:
No offence intended. :icon_tongue:
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misplacedsanity
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I'm not trying to be argumentative but seeing as how you don't think Hendrix, Van Halen
or Yngwie have done anything original and/or difficult on the instrument, just out of curiosity
I have to ask, who do you think has done something original and/or difficult?
or Yngwie have done anything original and/or difficult on the instrument, just out of curiosity
I have to ask, who do you think has done something original and/or difficult?
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ildar
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misplacedsanity said:
Well, I didn't say they didn't do anything difficult. When talking about originality, that's a topic easily obfuscated. For any player (or composer, or writer, or artist, etc.) to be truly original, they'd have to be marooned on an island pretty much at birth, left with nothing to influence their creative voice.
As I said, those that I mentioned were sponges, but good sponges, good enough to fool those who didn't understand what came before.
Then again, originality isn't the be all and end all of any art. Expression is, of course, and one can be expressive if not particulary unique.
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misplacedsanity
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That song is awesome. When you said it was your version of shredding, I assumed you meant
it was a version of shredding you liked. Fantastic track, really enjoyed it. Kudos to you my
good man.
And a great answer ildar. I can only speak for myself when I say some techniques didn't come
to me easy, sweep picking for instance took me a great deal of time and effort to get a grasp of,
maybe it's my age. So I kinda get irked when people say it isn't difficult because for me at
least it really was. I do understand where you're coming from though, there really isn't any
talent, originality or creativity per se in sitting down and drilling scales for hours on end.
Also I had to look up the word "obfuscated" in the dictionary.
it was a version of shredding you liked. Fantastic track, really enjoyed it. Kudos to you my
good man.
And a great answer ildar. I can only speak for myself when I say some techniques didn't come
to me easy, sweep picking for instance took me a great deal of time and effort to get a grasp of,
maybe it's my age. So I kinda get irked when people say it isn't difficult because for me at
least it really was. I do understand where you're coming from though, there really isn't any
talent, originality or creativity per se in sitting down and drilling scales for hours on end.
Also I had to look up the word "obfuscated" in the dictionary.
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misplacedsanity said:
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Oddly, that comment sort of puts the whole shredding argument in a neat little nutshell for me. For a long time I've thought of music as a language, I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Now, sometimes people use big words just for the hell of it, or to impress, whatever. Sometimes, though, the best way to get an idea across succinctly and/or intelligently is to use a few big words. So to me, that's the question-are the big words, big arpeggios, and big scales necessary and valid means to an end?
I'd say its valid. Where would music be if we only did what was necessary though? How a particular person chooses to phrase something in that language is the artistry. Whether it's a few words or a one hundred page long dissertation.
That being said, not everyone who can play has the talent to compose. Either long flashy solos or screaming single tones can be great or suck.
That being said, not everyone who can play has the talent to compose. Either long flashy solos or screaming single tones can be great or suck.
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GoDrex:
I enjoyed that!
Brian
I enjoyed that!
Brian
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thanks guys... 
I'd like to point out that what you hear there is an incredible guitar simulation hehehe
Seriously though, I did MANY takes to record that and I didn't play it all the way through - not even close. I recorded it in sections. Mainly because it's hard for me to improvise anything longer than 20 seconds at a time. It's very frustrating but also satisfying. At this point I don't think I can play an entire song all the way through. If I were to join a band I'd have a lot of practicing and rehearsing to do to get up to speed. This is why you don't see me sitting there in the video playing it the whole way through. It's a studio creation. But it was fun to do.
Anyway my legatto is my shready-ist technique. I can't really alternate pick anymore or tremelo pick very well. I used to want to play fast but now I'm just happy if I can find some sort of melody in what I'm trying to do.
I'd like to point out that what you hear there is an incredible guitar simulation hehehe
Seriously though, I did MANY takes to record that and I didn't play it all the way through - not even close. I recorded it in sections. Mainly because it's hard for me to improvise anything longer than 20 seconds at a time. It's very frustrating but also satisfying. At this point I don't think I can play an entire song all the way through. If I were to join a band I'd have a lot of practicing and rehearsing to do to get up to speed. This is why you don't see me sitting there in the video playing it the whole way through. It's a studio creation. But it was fun to do.
Anyway my legatto is my shready-ist technique. I can't really alternate pick anymore or tremelo pick very well. I used to want to play fast but now I'm just happy if I can find some sort of melody in what I'm trying to do.
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