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Cagey's Quilted PRS VIP Build

Cagey

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For my next trick, I'm going to refinish and assemble an old Warmoth PRS-style VIP. I managed to snag this body off Craig's List about 2 years ago or so. It had been up for sale for many months on end, with no takers (he wouldn't ship it - you had to come get it - and he lived in BFE). Guy kept lowering the price, to no avail.

Anyway, it came with a chrome Gotoh 510 bridge, but the finish leaves something to be desired. Considering you can't get these any more, and the modern version of this would run about $700, I think I got a good deal at $200 even if I have to refinish it.

Here's what we have to work with...

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The main differences between this and a modern VIP are the cutaway at the lower horn, and this one is only 1 1/4" thick vs. 1 3/4" for the modern version. There are other subtleties, but aren't worth mentioning.

The main carcass is Mahogany, but it's not a particularly attractive piece. As you can see in the second picture above, It has some goofy grain swirls to it, and it's poorly bookmatched. So, I think that's going to end up with an opaque black finish. The top will be a darker blue, and I haven't decided yet whether to burst that out to a midnight blue that transitions into the black, or just run the blue to the edge and call it a day.

The necks is a Warmoth-headed Rosewood/Rosewood part w/ gold 6100s. It'a an unusual piece you'd have to see to appreciate. The fretboard doesn't look like Rosewood, or at least not the Indian Rosewood they claimed it is. It's super-dense, like Bloodwood or Ebony, and has some pretty wild grain pattern to it. Everyone who's seen it thinks it's Brazillian Rosewood, but I can't say and I doubt they know any better, either. Whatever. It's nice.

Gonna use gold hardware, mainly because I already have it all. If I were starting from scratch, I'd more likely go chrome as that goes will with blue. But, gold looks good with anything, so no harm done.

I'll start stripping it later, so stay tuned.
 
Very nice Cagey, I remember you getting that, and wondered what became of it when I seen your other VIP. Those are very hard to come by, and I think it would look cool with a Caribbean burst.  :headbang:

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Now that's a 10-top! Reminds me of Bagman's Tele. I hadn't thought of that finish, but I agree, it would look good. My top isn't that nice, though. Not sure I'll want it quite that exposed.
 
Yep Bag's is similar, that blue one belongs to someone on the forum, but it escapes me as to whom it is.. But yes it's a bit overexposed in the center mass, could use a bit more aqua in the center..
 
Very Cool to see an old Warmoth,  it would be very interesting to see the transformation along the way....love to see the process ......
 
Cagey, I think this is a perfect opportunity for you to dye the top purple and clearcoat that shiz.  :cool01: Purple fits PRS style so well.
 
good lord, please don't go with a caribbean burst or something light, that top isn't very attractive.  :sad1:

I must say though, I dig the old VIP shape a lot more than the current one.
 
thebutcher85 said:
good lord, please don't go with a caribbean burst or something light, that top isn't very attractive.  :sad1:

I must say though, I dig the old VIP shape a lot more than the current one.
Actually I think it is, I think it's just the way the finish was done that's holding it back... Look at it from this angle... :dontknow:
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DangerousR6 said:
thebutcher85 said:
good lord, please don't go with a caribbean burst or something light, that top isn't very attractive.  :sad1:

I must say though, I dig the old VIP shape a lot more than the current one.
Actually I think it is, I think it's just the way the finish was done that's holding it back... Look at it from this angle... :dontknow:
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naw, it's as ugly as dog balls lol! [grin] wink wink...  :evil4:

(I'm just messin, I agree, it's got some nice flame indeed, definitely not a 10-top though)

Tipperman said:
I'm tellin you guys, purple will pop that mother goose. Best dye for tops ever.

+1 for the purple, something like Fdesalvo's would be sweet.
 
thebutcher85 said:
DangerousR6 said:
thebutcher85 said:
good lord, please don't go with a caribbean burst or something light, that top isn't very attractive.  :sad1:

I must say though, I dig the old VIP shape a lot more than the current one.
Actually I think it is, I think it's just the way the finish was done that's holding it back... Look at it from this angle... :dontknow:
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naw, it's as ugly as dog balls lol! [grin] wink wink...  :evil4:

(I'm just messin, I agree, it's got some nice flame indeed, definitely not a 10-top though)

Tipperman said:
I'm tellin you guys, purple will pop that mother goose. Best dye for tops ever.

+1 for the purple, something like Fdesalvo's would be sweet.
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We'll have to see what it looks like once it's been stripped, dyed black and sanded back. I don't think this has ever been dyed, so the grain is pretty subtle.
 
If you have a modern VIP can you shoot a pic of them side by side?
Naturally I'm saddened by the gold hardware, but I know how you adore it so.
 
i will be following this closely.  Always wanted to know what it will be like to strip a warmoth finish.
I just sanded off a LP dye/nitro finish and it was a B!TCH
 
+1 on the purple, especially with gold hardware.  Although, you'll then be forced to change your name to a symbol and get in a decade long battle with your record company...
 
AutoBat said:
If you have a modern VIP can you shoot a pic of them side by side?

Sure.

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As you can see, the modern VIP is thicker (by 1/2"), it doesn't have the lower horn relief, the belly cut is not quite as long, and the control cavity is kidney-shaped vs. the boomerang shape.

As an aside, you can see from the back shot of the PRS version why you should never sand flat surfaces by hand. I can understand why someone might be tempted, though. You can't sand the front of a carved top any other way, so the paper's already in your hand.
 
DMRACO said:
i will be following this closely.  Always wanted to know what it will be like to strip a warmoth finish.
I just sanded off a LP dye/nitro finish and it was a B!TCH

I believe it. If it was nitro, you should have just taken some acetone (lacquer thinner) after it. You could have pretty much just wiped the old finish off rather than sand it.

As it works out, this one is going to be a cast iron bitch, but for a different reason. I thought since it was a home finish that it was going to be nitro. No such luck. I soaked a rag with acetone yesterday and draped it on the body, and it had no effect on the finish whatsoever. So, it's probably polyurethane, which means stripping it is going to be no fun at all. Not that stripping a finish ever is...
 
Given a choice of one or the other, I think I'd take the PRS version, too. But, other than the thickness, the differences are minor enough that they're not deal-breakers. Since these two are such different woods, I haven't weighed them to see what that difference is.
 
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