elfro89 said:thats fair enough cagey I accept that point. But human beings as we know them now have existed for 200,000 years, thats 1/5 of a million years. Im sure we must see some changes in that time and we haven't as such yet. The Neanderthals died out and whoever else in relation to us.
Cagey said:elfro89 said:thats fair enough cagey I accept that point. But human beings as we know them now have existed for 200,000 years, thats 1/5 of a million years. Im sure we must see some changes in that time and we haven't as such yet. The Neanderthals died out and whoever else in relation to us.
Human beings have existed that long, but our history and memory hasn't. Most of our ancient history is drawn from inference more than anything else, with "ancient" only being the last 5,000-6,000 years or so. Prior to that, all we have are fossils and artifacts. 5,000-6,000 years is barely a blink of an eye relative to the overall time frame we're talking about here.
Jusatele said:how about our different races of people Elf? Id that not evolution?, We can reintroduce the genes to each race, but does not the specific changes in the Oriental, as opposed to the European show an evolution coning about, and as them being separated till a form of more convenient transportation, Japanese and Chinese differences. Just look at the difference in Europeans, the Germanic people, or the Celtic, and even the Romans, all different in dominant genes. Was this not evolution that showed up according to isolation?
How we came and branched off the tree I think is not what w are discussing here, but the small changes and how they came about. Not entire new species but instead how one came to be influenced by his society, body type, darkness of skin, even hair color. But these show how one group of people are different, even if these dominant genes can be reintroduced to the whole,, they are what eventually, if kept separated could have new species. I find it interesting that at a Rangers meeting I went to while visiting the Grand Canyon, the Ranger who was speaking that night talked of a type of squirrel that is on both sides of the canyon, they look the same and are very similar. However they have been separated for so long by the canyon, they do not mate with each other if introduced. They look for a squirrel of their own type, somewhat like a gray and red squirrel would. So they do not recognize each other as a mate.
This has been a great thread, and I feel I have learned a lot, read some great responses, joked a bit, and am amazed that no arguments have pursued. And to think some stupid musicians, nerds from Band, Guys who would rather close up in their room and run scales for hours, we, those considered the dregs of society who do drugs and think only of sex, are having it. Who knew?
Jusatele said:how about our different races of people Elf? Id that not evolution?, We can reintroduce the genes to each race, but does not the specific changes in the Oriental, as opposed to the European show an evolution coning about, and as them being separated till a form of more convenient transportation, Japanese and Chinese differences. Just look at the difference in Europeans, the Germanic people, or the Celtic, and even the Romans, all different in dominant genes. Was this not evolution that showed up according to isolation?
=CB= said:Great Moments in Evolution
Earth Cools
Life Begins
Man gains intellect and self awareness
Bagel is invented
Women shave pits and legs
Telecaster invented
From there its been downhill....
kboman said:Jusatele said:how about our different races of people Elf? Id that not evolution?, We can reintroduce the genes to each race, but does not the specific changes in the Oriental, as opposed to the European show an evolution coning about, and as them being separated till a form of more convenient transportation, Japanese and Chinese differences. Just look at the difference in Europeans, the Germanic people, or the Celtic, and even the Romans, all different in dominant genes. Was this not evolution that showed up according to isolation?
A large part of this is about sex.
Got your attention? :icon_biggrin: Well, it's been suggested to me (in school I think, or somewhere else, I'll try to find a source if time permits) that a missing component when talking about things like hair colour, skin colour, average height etcetera is also dependent on cultural selection or sexual selection. That is, a certain general appearance or collection of traits are elevated to ideal in a culture, with the consequence that those who fit the ideal are at a sexual advantage (they are more desirable). This allows that type of gene set to become more dominant within that cultural sphere.
Isolation plays a part here, clearly: these days, what with these new fangled magazines with colour photographs and all, ideals are much more diverse and widespread. I would suggest they are more concentrated to within different social contexts rather than cultural spheres: models have one very thin ideal, nerds have maybe another. Biker chicks, anyone?
Well, let me just step off your lawn :laughing7:elfro89 said:None of which mean anything cause everyone dyes the hair to look like they came streight out a comic book. I've yet to see a normal day to day teen who hasn't fallen into the "bitch" catagory, or the "emo/screamo/dyed to look like a comic book" catagory, neither of which is sexually attractive in the slightest.
Max said:Well, let me just step off your lawn :laughing7:elfro89 said:None of which mean anything cause everyone dyes the hair to look like they came streight out a comic book. I've yet to see a normal day to day teen who hasn't fallen into the "bitch" catagory, or the "emo/screamo/dyed to look like a comic book" catagory, neither of which is sexually attractive in the slightest.
Jusatele said:This has been a great thread, and I feel I have learned a lot, read some great responses, joked a bit, and am amazed that no arguments have pursued. And to think some stupid musicians, nerds from Band, Guys who would rather close up in their room and run scales for hours, we, those considered the dregs of society who do drugs and think only of sex, are having it. Who knew?
AGWAN said:thats partly attributed to it being a very rare and desirable thing. Blue eyes are a lack of pigment. just as pale skin and hair is. and when it first started evolving (seemingly because Europe receives less light than much of Africa, and we had that pigment to help defend out skin.) it was seen as a sign of great beauty...
pretty people have more sex.
hey look.
people look prettier.
the funny thing is, fair skinned blue eyed people have a greater chance of skin cancer/blindness
so... Evolution or Devolution?
AGWAN said:the funny thing is, fair skinned blue eyed people have a greater chance of skin cancer/blindness