An Interesting Intellectual puzzle...

[elfro89]

here is an interesting intellectual puzzle.

If we follow evolution back to stage of Ha-dean Eon and of the RNA hypothesis, what made them act the way they do? Or programmed them to behave the way they do? "Because of god," or "by chance," is question dogging; although both are very valid possibilities.

If the two main concepts in living organisms at the time was necessity and self replication, does that itself denote intelligence? If things act out of necessity and through the RNA sequence for survival, then anything that threatens or forces it to change the way it behaves will without a doubt thrive in the new climate. The idea that the old or inefficient dies out and is replaced by a more efficient organism does support this. However what would be the causing factor that literally changes the RNA sequence of the offspring? So in the case of the development of the 2 sexes, in what way was the need to develop such a routine for self replication more efficient then the single organism self replication?

It could be that is was an accident, and that it happened by chance. But I did say that was question dodging, there has to be some reason why life took on the shape it did. So now comes the chicken and egg dilema. when the first of the 2 sexes was born... how did they reproduce?

This is tiresome stuff.

 

[bagman67]

This is tiresome stuff.

Have you ever HAD sex?  I beg to differ!

Ducking and running (and actually thinking about the substance of your post before responding more seriously),

Bagman

 

[-CB-]

So in the case of the development of the 2 sexes, in what way was the need to develop such a routine for self replication more efficient then the single organism self replication?

It was to support the equally fledgling porno industry. 

 

[jalane]

So in the case of the development of the 2 sexes, in what way was the need to develop such a routine for self replication more efficient then the single organism self replication?

So...many...dirty...smart-ass...responses...available..............must...practice...restraint..............

 

[ptirman]

So in the case of the development of the 2 sexes, in what way was the need to develop such a routine for self replication more efficient then the single organism self replication?

So...many...dirty...smart-ass...responses...available..............must...practice...restraint..............

Agreed. I deleted mine for fear of being banned.

 

[-CB-]

Taken a bit further down the road: If one postulates that two genders evolved, and was genetically superior because it allowed for greater variation in the gene pool, thus greater adaptability through mutation, then why not four, six or hell... lets make it an even dozen genders?

 

[AndyG]

It could be that is was an accident, and that it happened by chance. But I did say that was question dodging, there has to be some reason why life took on the shape it did. So now comes the chicken and egg dilema. when the first of the 2 sexes was born... how did they reproduce?

This is tiresome stuff.

The problem with even asking such a question is that it assumes there had to be a "first" time for something.  Most theories assume that these processes happened over a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG period of time, and not all at once.  And the fact that they are even called theories means that they do not know the answer for sure .... they make educated guesses/assumptions, and try to prove or disprove.  Unlike a commonly known book of fairy tales, the scientific theory of evolution doesn't try to explain things in neat, little packages.  That is why people have spent lifetimes trying to figure out answers to questions exactly like yours.

 

[elfro89]

It could be that is was an accident, and that it happened by chance. But I did say that was question dodging, there has to be some reason why life took on the shape it did. So now comes the chicken and egg dilema. when the first of the 2 sexes was born... how did they reproduce?

This is tiresome stuff.

The problem with even asking such a question is that it assumes there had to be a "first" time for something.  Most theories assume that these processes happened over a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG period of time, and not all at once.  And the fact that they are even called theories means that they do not know the answer for sure .... they make educated guesses/assumptions, and try to prove or disprove.  Unlike that book of fairy tales commonly known as the bible, the scientific theory of evolution doesn't try to explain things in neat, little packages.  That is why people have spent lifetimes trying to figure out answers to questions exactly like yours.

Have to pull you up on this one. a scientific theory is not some random guess that they hope or think is correct, something only gets called a theory when there is overwhelming evidence to support it. (obviously nothing can be 100% fully proven) what you are referring to is known as a hypothesis. but all the questions are valid. especially when asking questions like where conciousness comes from. and how or why did it evolved and how. but this really is bordering on philosophy.

I'm a total geek when it comes to physics and the like. (not a very well educated geek, but a geek none the less)

 

[-CB-]

Great Moments in Evolution

Earth Cools
Life Begins
Man gains intellect and self awareness
Bagel is invented
Women shave pits and legs
Telecaster invented

From there its been downhill....

 

[elfro89]

Great Moments in Evolution

Earth Cools
Life Begins
Man gains intellect and self awareness
Bagel is invented
Women shave pits and legs
Telecaster invented

From there its been downhill....

Your forgetting one other vital area of the female anatomy.

 

[-CB-]

Well "some" women shave their upper lip too... but I'm not going anywhere else, this is a family forum after all.....

 

[AndyG]

Have to pull you up on this one. a scientific theory is not some random guess that they hope or think is correct, something only gets called a theory when there is overwhelming evidence to support it. (obviously nothing can be 100% fully proven) what you are referring to is known as a hypothesis. but all the questions are valid. especially when asking questions like where conciousness comes from. and how or why did it evolved and how. but this really is bordering on philosophy.

Well, yes and no ...
I agree with your definition of hypothisis, but regardless of how much scientific data we collect, I'm not sure things like evolution, the big bang, etc will ever be "proven", which is why they call it a theory.  I suppose we are actually saying the same thing!    :icon_thumright:  you just said it more eloquently!

 

[AutoBat]

Pythagoras' theory hasn't been proven yet either. (a^2+b^2=c^2)

 

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[tfarny]

Evolutionary science forces you to forget the ideas of "first things" etc. which is really a holdover from philosophy (aka science for people who don't actually study things). Take the eye for instance - it evolved slowly from light-sensitive skin tissue, and there are plenty of creatures with no eyes per se but various "stages" of eye-like things. There is no need for a "first eye" or even "first male / female" to have ever existed. The "problem" is just one invented by philosophers to justify their own existence.

 

[Jusatele]

Are not these 4 elementry lemmata proof
  1. If two triangles have two sides of the one equal to two sides of the other, each to each, and the angles included by those sides equal, then the triangles are congruent (side-angle-side).
  2. The area of a triangle is half the area of any parallelogram on the same base and having the same altitude.
  3. The area of a rectangle is equal to the product of two adjacent sides.
  4. The area of a square is equal to the product of two of its sides (follows from 3).

Next, each top square is related to a triangle congruent with another triangle related in turn to one of two rectangles making up the lower square.[12]
Illustration including the new lines

The proof is as follows:

  1. Let ACB be a right-angled triangle with right angle CAB.
  2. On each of the sides BC, AB, and CA, squares are drawn, CBDE, BAGF, and ACIH, in that order. The construction of squares requires the immediately preceding theorems in Euclid, and depends upon the parallel postulate.[13]
  3. From A, draw a line parallel to BD and CE. It will perpendicularly intersect BC and DE at K and L, respectively.
  4. Join CF and AD, to form the triangles BCF and BDA.
  5. Angles CAB and BAG are both right angles; therefore C, A, and G are collinear. Similarly for B, A, and H.

Showing the two congruent triangles of half the area of rectangle BDLK and square BAGF

  1. Angles CBD and FBA are both right angles; therefore angle ABD equals angle FBC, since both are the sum of a right angle and angle ABC.
  2. Since AB and BD are equal to FB and BC, respectively, triangle ABD must be congruent to triangle FBC.
  3. Since A is collinear with K and L, rectangle BDLK must be twice in area to triangle ABD, since it shares a height with BK and a base with BD and a triangle's area is half the product of its base and height.
  4. Since C is collinear with A and G, square BAGF must be twice in area to triangle FBC.
  5. Therefore rectangle BDLK must have the same area as square BAGF = AB2.
  6. Similarly, it can be shown that rectangle CKLE must have the same area as square ACIH = AC2.
  7. Adding these two results, AB2 + AC2 = BD × BK + KL × KC
  8. Since BD = KL, BD* BK + KL × KC = BD(BK + KC) = BD × BC
  9. Therefore AB2 + AC2 = BC2, since CBDE is a square.

 

[-CB-]

Take the eye for instance..... there are plenty of creatures with..... "stages" of eye-like things.

I suppose the same goes for eyebrows too, since I knew a gal that a sort of "eyebrow-like thing" (that went all the way across her forehead) back after I got out of high school. 

 

[tfarny]

Sounds like a real hottie CB! Hope you feel better.

 

[elfro89]

Take the eye for instance..... there are plenty of creatures with..... "stages" of eye-like things.

I suppose the same goes for eyebrows too, since I knew a gal that a sort of "eyebrow-like thing" (that went all the way across her forehead) back after I got out of high school. 

Is this her?

 

[-CB-]

Hey I got her down to the local parlor, had her waxed, nails done, hair done and she ended up looking like a rounder version of Joan Jett !!  And had a voice like an angel too.