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7 string pickup suggestions for non-metul applications.

ChristopherG

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So now that my Sarah is finished, my next project is to rehab my Ibanez AX7521. New saddles on the way, in a couple months she is going off to my local guy to get stripped of the hideous flat black/grey that they painted her and if the mahogany underneath looks good then she will be getting clear polly, if not then repainted a purer black to match the headstock veneer.

The question that brings me to this post is I need some recommendations for a seven string pickup suitable for jazz/blues/funk. Not metal. SD has seven string version of the 59 and the Jazz. Dimarzio has their PAF7. Any of the higher output pickups from these two I should consider? How about other makers?

Thanks.
 
I've been using the Evolution on my TFS6 as well as my RG7620 for close to 9 years now.
Reasonably flat with a slight notch on the mids, cleans up well, has just enough more output over the PAF family without getting into Super Distortion and higher territory.
Splits well in use with my Blaze Neck for the JPM wire scheme.
 
You raise a very interesting question. I was playing around with the idea of a 7 string a couple weeks ago and was trying to survey the landscape for non-metal pickups as I would use any guitar at this stage only for blues music. I found some random youtube videos of a couple of guys who apparently are playing jazz on their 7 strings. Might be worth a search to see if anyone is listing their pickups in the "about" section. I did notice that Bare Knuckle Pickups in the UK does their "Mule" PAF in a 7 string option as well as six string and that is a nice sounding, classic PAF-not high output pickup. They are also doing some of their strat pickups in 7 string option apparently too. Just as a side note Bare Knuckle ships registered mail so you end up signing either at the delivery address or if you have to trudge to the post office with a delivery notice from your door.
 
Well the thing to remember is that the extended range guitar, like the active pickup, was originally used by jazz players. I know that a lot of the current crop of jazz 7 stringers play archtops with the SD Benedeto(sp?). This pickup is available in a regular 7 string humbucker format but it is designed with the archtop/hollowbody in mind.

Thanks for your input. Bareknuckle makes a good pickup, but I've never been super keen on them. Mostly because if I am going to spend that kind of money on a pickup, I have lots of boutique pickup makers in that price range here in the states.

The big problem I am running into is just finding sound samples of various seven string pickups that aren't being djerked off with--see what I did there?--or shredded upon.
 
Right at the 4:00 mark, you see a very fine example of the 7 string in a jazz context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXB69BCd20

I went to a house concert about 15 years ago where a Brazilian Folk band had a guitarist with a 7 string nylon and it was a real treat to witness.
 
ChristopherG said:
Well the thing to remember is that the extended range guitar, like the active pickup, was originally used by jazz players. I know that a lot of the current crop of jazz 7 stringers play archtops with the SD Benedeto(sp?). This pickup is available in a regular 7 string humbucker format but it is designed with the archtop/hollowbody in mind.

Thanks for your input. Bareknuckle makes a good pickup, but I've never been super keen on them. Mostly because if I am going to spend that kind of money on a pickup, I have lots of boutique pickup makers in that price range here in the states.

The big problem I am running into is just finding sound samples of various seven string pickups that aren't being djerked off with--see what I did there?--or shredded upon.

Good points and I totally concur. Would be nice to hear some things out there in the world that are demoed in other approaches. Like when I bought an EVH Frankenstien pickup (which I still have not put in anything just yet) and all I could find was shredding videos of guys trying to be Eddie. I ended up talking on the phone to a guy in Canada who told me he also plays some country with his but he didn't have any samples posted anywhere.. Ya, Bare Knuckle is pricey and even though they have sound samples on their site I don't believe any of them actually are done with a 7 string.
 
I found this Youtube clip of a comparison between EMG, DiMarzio and Seymour Duncans 7-string pickups played with a clean tone. No metal or shredding and you do hear some tonal differences. They even specify the wood used in the guitars.
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Thanks!! My Youtube-fu must be week.  :party07:

Now that is how you do a pickup comparison video. All the same riff, same settings. Only way it could have been better would have been to use the same git fiddle, but I can't blame the poster for not wanting to do all that work.
 
I'm sure your Youtube-fu is top notch.  :icon_smile:
I just happened to stumble upon this and thought of your post/question. Thought it might come in handy.
 
EMG 60-7X and 707X are what I always advise for 'non-metal' extended range guitars. Easier now you can get them in a regular humbucker style, rather than the typical EMG soapbar shape.

The 60 wind was originally designed for the Telecaster Deluxe, before Fender made their own Wide Range pickups and when the Tele Deluxe was being positioned as a jazzy, Les Paul alternative. These days it is mostly used as a neck pickup for clean rhythm and distorted lead tones by shredders, in the same way the Seymour Duncan Jazz model often is. Like all active pickups, it switches between an airy jazz feel and a highly compressed metal feel depending on how close to the strings you position it. Place it further from the strings and you will not find a better neck pickup for a 7-string; no passive makes the 7th string fit in with the other 6 like the 60-7X does. It's also got a very percussive attack if you pick harder, if you're ever venturing into funk territory.

The 707 is similar to the (sadly 6-string-only) 60A. It's the natural bridge model to pair with a 60-7 neck. Slightly more focused in the mids and a little less treble. Otherwise, the same rules apply: back it away from the strings and you're in jazz and funk heaven. All the weaker EMG pickups are wound like older hollowbody pickups, with under-charged magnets and weak, loose and asymmetrical coils. It's only the preamp which then puts the output higher; you still have all the sensitivity and dynamics of a weaker pickup. Distance to the strings is key to switching an EMG from metal to classic rock to jazz, to even surf and country.

The regular, non-X versions have the tendancy towards compression that active pickups are known for. The X-series have more headroom than all but the most underwound passive pickup.

The main reason I stress these models over any passives is that 7th string. It takes a lot of work to get that sounding clear enough with a passive design, and making the 7th string respond well typically means making the unwound strings very piercing. Another solution is to wind very unbalanced coils, but then you get a lot of hum and a much weaker signal. The SD Jazz 7 and DM PAF7 both have this problem. Active designs get around it because they can have particular frequencies dialled in or out freely, with the housing making noise a non-issue and the preamp taking care of the final output.

The whole reason actives were invented in the first place was to master clean tones. Just like 7- and 8-strings, the only reason they have a reputation as being exclusively for metal is because of what sells well in the modern marketplace. A mahogany 7-string with active pickups has its roots more in jazz, funk, and even country, than it does in metal. Get the pickup height right, dual in your amp properly, and actives are the most solid bet by a long, long way.
 
@Ace Will definitely check them out. I love the X-series pickups in my Warmoth Tele, though I was hoping to keep this seven string passive if I could and still achieve a decent tone. You are totally right about finding the right height for them. EMG's directions seem to assume that you are going for high gain applications with a Monster-Mega-Marshall stack.

I don't see the 707 in a hum cap. Too bad.

BTW. My saddles arrived. The corrosion on the original saddle screws was saw bad that I had to cut them off with a dremel. Now she has brand new string savers and has finally been intonated and properly set up. I wish I could find the guy who let this guitar get in this condition and slap him silly. A Chinese AX7251 I could forgive, but a Japanese AX7521? That should be a hangin' offense.
 
I forgot the 707 is the one pickup you can't get in the normal humbucker size. D'oh! Not a problem, the 66 is very similar to the 60A/707 wind. The only difference is the 66 (and 57 and Hetfield model) has pole pieces and the other EMGs have blades under their covers. Just means you get a little more string separation with the 66/57. The 66 is orientated like a typical neck pickup, so it can be odd to see it at the bridge (the exposed poles are toward the neck), but it'll sound the same.
There's the 57-7 as well, which puts the poles on the normal side for a bridge pickup, but it's also a little more powerful than the 66 and 60. Again, height would be the key here.

I did forget one passive which may be worth checking out, the DiMarzio Evolution 7. The 7-string version is made like the 6-string Evo 2, so it's a little more of a classic wind than the common 6-string Evo pickup. I wouldn't use it stock, but if you swap the stock ceramic magnet for an alnico one—I'd suggest a 3 for the neck and 3 or 4 for the bridge—and swap the hex poles for screw poles, it gains a more classic balance. The mismatched coils and 'airbucker' design really help keep the 7th string clear and balanced and with an alnico magnet and screw poles, the unwound strings stop being piercing and the output is a little more controlled. It sounds kind of like a P-90 without the hum. I used them for clean blues (yes, blues on a 7-string!) for years before I made the switch to active. Compared to the active options, the modified Evo 7 is less touchy about height, but the 7th string sometimes got just a little muddy if I put on a heavier string gauge.


I once found a fairly rare Kramer Jersey Star which the owner had let rust so bad the pots and switch were completely stuck in place, and the saddles—the actual solid blocks of metal, not just the gold plating—were flaking away. Flaking! I think he must have had acid for sweat. Some people don't think twice about throwing their gear around, dropping things, leaving liquids on them. I think it's silly, whether it's a cheap Chinese guitar or a premium Japanese or American one. Things can always be cleaned or replaced, but I see no point in damaging stuff when it can be avoided. Throwing away money for nothing! It's not like it's hard to keep a microfibre cloth in your guitar's case.
 
Thanks again Ace!

I talked to a guy at EMG. He said that the 707 won't quite fit in a hum cap so it isn't ever going to be offered in that format. He too recommended either the 66-7/57-7 set or the 85-7X (in the bridge) with the 60-7X in the neck.

Glad to hear someone is out there playing the blues on the 7. Since I've picked one up I have come to the conclusion that 7 is actually the logical number of strings to have on a guitar. 3 octave scales with just two position shifts? Yes please.
 
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