39 seconds of Satch (Whole song at the bottom of page 2)

[stratamania]

Ive learnt quite a few bits of Yngwie stuff. It's not all ultra fast. In fact a lot of is very melodic and quite structured.  Some great vibrato.

More accessible Yngwie, can be found on the first Alcatraz album. And the Rising Force album from 1984 has some terrific stuff.

 

[DocNrock]

Ive learnt quite a few bits of Yngwie stuff. It's not all ultra fast. In fact a lot of is very melodic and quite structured.  Some great vibrato.

More accessible Yngwie, can be found on the first Alcatraz album. And the Rising Force album from 1984 has some terrific stuff.

Yeah, John, I agree about his early '80s stuff.  When I think of him, all I think of now are swept arpeggios.  I've tried sweeping.  Either I don't have the patience, or I'm just not wired for it.  The best I can get at speed is a 3-string gliss.

 

[stratamania]

Sweeped arpeggios, I find straightforward originally heard them prior to Yngwie, but what amazes me is Steve Morse, doing that sort of thing with alternate picking. That is a challenge.

 

[DocNrock]

Sweeped arpeggios, I find straightforward originally heard them prior to Yngwie, but what amazes me is Steve Morse, doing that sort of thing with alternate picking. That is a challenge.

I think that is my hangup, John.  Once I learned alternate picking, it almost became hardwired.  It is so hard for me to go back to efficiency picking.  Obviously, I'm no Morse, but I am happy to be the best I have ever been.

 

[stratamania]

Sweeped arpeggios, I find straightforward originally heard them prior to Yngwie, but what amazes me is Steve Morse, doing that sort of thing with alternate picking. That is a challenge.

I think that is my hangup, John.  Once I learned alternate picking, it almost became hardwired.  It is so hard for me to go back to efficiency picking.  Obviously, I'm no Morse, but I am happy to be the best I have ever been.

I understand that, for me although I learnt alternate picking I was also using a lot of sweep and economy, sometimes that doesn't help when alternate might be a better approach. But this is what's great about the guitar it's an endless journey if you want it to be of exploring the nuances or the next detail on the journey. I also like to use hybrid picking or just my fingers.

I think even Morse, is now finding other ways to pick certain things due to arthritis.

 

[DocNrock]

Center solo section...needs work, but is pretty close, I think.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iHndIP4_JU[/youtube]

Sweeped arpeggios, I find straightforward originally heard them prior to Yngwie, but what amazes me is Steve Morse, doing that sort of thing with alternate picking. That is a challenge.

I think that is my hangup, John.  Once I learned alternate picking, it almost became hardwired.  It is so hard for me to go back to efficiency picking.  Obviously, I'm no Morse, but I am happy to be the best I have ever been.

I understand that, for me although I learnt alternate picking I was also using a lot of sweep and economy, sometimes that doesn't help when alternate might be a better approach. But this is what's great about the guitar it's an endless journey if you want it to be of exploring the nuances or the next detail on the journey. I also like to use hybrid picking or just my fingers.

I think even Morse, is now finding other ways to pick certain things due to arthritis.

The guitar gives up her secrets slowly, that is for sure. 

Glad you are still exploring, as well.  :icon_thumright:

 

[DangerousR6]

Very cool Brent, that's about the best way to learn Satch is to break it up into bite size chunks. Or just about any of the other guitar virtuoso's... :icon_thumright:

 

[Cagey]

The guitar gives up her secrets slowly, that is for sure. 

So... are you finding that trying to cop Satriani techniques is affecting your day-to-day noodling? I know back when I was covering some of his stuff, the amount of legato/hammering/tapping/pulling/etc. necessary just naturally started to show up in other things.

 

[DocNrock]

Very cool Brent, that's about the best way to learn Satch is to break it up into bite size chunks. Or just about any of the other guitar virtuoso's... :icon_thumright:

Thanks for the kind words, old friend.  You have that correct.  I started with about 25 loops, then stitched them together once I hit 100% speed for each. 

@Cagey:  I haven't noodled for a bit.  I warm up on a few scales, then start working on the song I'm trying to learn.  This is the third song I've learned in a fairly short period of time, for me.  It will probably make it into my repertoire, though (I hope).

Still needs work, and recording on a "real" device, but here is the whole song, with a couple of minor errors.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwfy1wtmpU[/youtube]

 

[DangerousR6]

Very cool Brent, that's about the best way to learn Satch is to break it up into bite size chunks. Or just about any of the other guitar virtuoso's... :icon_thumright:

Thanks for the kind words, old friend.  You have that correct.  I started with about 25 loops, then stitched them together once I hit 100% speed for each. 

@Cagey:  I haven't noodled for a bit.  I warm up on a few scales, then start working on the song I'm trying to learn.  This is the third song I've learned in a fairly short period of time, for me.  It will probably make it into my repertoire, though (I hope).

Still needs work, and recording on a "real" device, but here is the whole song, with a couple of minor errors.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwfy1wtmpU[/youtube]

Satch is really hard to master, there's some of his stuff I've been trying to get a grasp on since '88. Lot's of other players aren't to hard to figure out, and I'm no virtuoso, just a soso...

Good work... :headbang:

 

[DocNrock]

Very cool Brent, that's about the best way to learn Satch is to break it up into bite size chunks. Or just about any of the other guitar virtuoso's... :icon_thumright:

Thanks for the kind words, old friend.  You have that correct.  I started with about 25 loops, then stitched them together once I hit 100% speed for each. 

@Cagey:  I haven't noodled for a bit.  I warm up on a few scales, then start working on the song I'm trying to learn.  This is the third song I've learned in a fairly short period of time, for me.  It will probably make it into my repertoire, though (I hope).

Still needs work, and recording on a "real" device, but here is the whole song, with a couple of minor errors.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwfy1wtmpU[/youtube]

Satch is really hard to master, there's some of his stuff I've been trying to get a grasp on since '88. Lot's of other players aren't to hard to figure out, and I'm no virtuoso, just a soso...

Good work... :headbang:

Me too, buddy.  :icon_thumright:  I'm a soso, too. 

 

[Verne Bunsen]

Damn fine!

 

[DocNrock]

Damn fine!

Thanks man.  There are definitely a few mistakes.  I'm working on polishing the song up, currently.  Cagey and F(rank)desalvo have been encouraging me to present higher quality audio in my posts.  I've been lazy and just recording the ambient room with my iPad, along with the video.  Because this is the most technically challenging song I have ever successfully learned, I am going to try to record the final, polished, version with my Tascam 8-track for the audio component, mixed with the video from the iPad.  We'll see.  Thanks for listening and for the kind words.

 

[stratamania]

Well done Sir, you must have been putting in some hours on that one.

 

[Logrinn]

Super impressive!  :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Now you need to change the caption of the post though.
To "243 seconds of Satch".  :laughing7:

 

[DocNrock]

Super impressive!  :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Now you need to change the caption of the post though.
To "243 seconds of Satch".  :laughing7:

Hahaha!  Thanks, Logrinn.  You just gave me a subject line for the completed project!  :laughing7:

Well done Sir, you must have been putting in some hours on that one.

Thanks, John.  Indeed, I have.  Still working on getting it polished.  Then to actually record it on a "real" recording medium. 



On a different note, something dawned on me the other day while practicing the opening harmonic bit.  I remembered reading DiMarzio's description of the FRED pickup, which is the one Satriani was using during this era, and most likely was used to record this song.  Here is a cut and paste from DiMarzio's website regarding the FRED (http://www.dimarzio.com/pickups/humbuckers/fred):

"We designed FRED® to bump the mid-range of the PAF Pro® EQ up a notch, but in the process something unusual happened. Harmonics that humbuckers usually don’t reproduce started popping out, particularly with overdriven amps and distortion units."

"Many standard humbuckers have a tendency to fatten up with distortion. The FRED® does the opposite; it gets tighter and brighter..."

I just happen to have a guitar that has a FRED in it, an Ibanez JS1000.  :laughing7:  I haven't played it in a while, so I dusted it off, adjusted the neck, and tuned it up.  What was fascinating to me was that the opening harmonic riff is so much easier to play on this guitar than any of my Warmoths or my USA Jackson.  Specifically what is easier about it is that no muting or other excessive control efforts are necessary to play the riff cleanly.  This must be what DiMarzio was relating when talking about it geting tighter and brighter with distortion.  It really does seem to be true, at least for this particular riff (and for the rest of the harmonics in the song).  I'm fairly certain that the use of the word "Harmonics" in the DiMarzio statement is referring to harmonic overtones to the fundamental, not specifically to harmonics voiced by touching the string over a particular fret.  But, those picked harmonics will have some overtones, as well, I think.

I don't usually put much stock in their written description of a pickup's sound.  Usually it reads like some carefully crafted sentences designed to sell something.  But in this case, I think they got it right.

So, when I do the final version, it will be recorded on my Tascam 8-track.  The guitar, unfortunately, will not be a Warmoth.    :sad1:

 

[bagman67]

I have a FRED you can install in a Warmoth if you want to build a new one...  :icon_thumright: 

 

[DocNrock]

I have a FRED you can install in a Warmoth if you want to build a new one...  :icon_thumright:

Ha!  Builds have been inspired by less, that is for sure.  Thanks for looking out for my well-being.  :laughing7:

Actually, I also have a FRED in my box of spare pickups.  Funny thing is, I even thought about putting it into one of my Warmoths for this.  But, I kind of like the idea of doing a Satch song on a Satch guitar.  I'm usually not big on signature gear, but it was a great guitar for the price.  If you aren't aware of the Ibanez strata, the JS1000 is part of their Prestige line, made in Japan.