You're Messing With My Head. Warmoth's 6100 fret wire is actually Dunlop 6000 fret wire?

[WchoyCustomGuitars]

So I have like 3 Warmoth necks, all with the biggest fret wire you can order. I've always thought to myself what a bummer it was that Warmoth didn't offer the biggest, fattest Dunlop 6000 fret wire as an option, as I have installed on one of my guitars. I emailed them, asking if the BIG Dunlop 6000 fret wire was one of the elusive/mythical "Off Menu Options" as made famous (or infamous perhaps?) by Aaron's popular YouTube video. The email reply I got back earlier today was nothing short of mind blowing. It seems that Warmoth technically DOES offer the biggest Dunlop 6000 fret wire as an option: Their 6100 fret wire is actually (wait for it) Dunlop 6000 fret wire. Mic drop, the Fat Lady has sung her final song, the Cows have come home. I nearly fell off my chair when I read the email - Warmoth also provided a link that showed the sizes of the 2 fret wires. Indeed, the Warmoth 6100 option is indeed Dunlop 6000 - same same. So my question is: why doesn't Warmoth designate their 6100 wire as 6000 wire? I think this would help people who are kind of familiar with the Dunlop sizes already?

 

[TBurst Std]

A quick guess, they are using Jescar. Jescar numbers don’t align with Dunlop.

To further the rabbit hole, as I understand, Jescar makes most of Dunlops fretwire. Some of it for private label only. Others, Dunlop apples a different number to for legalize.

 

[NutBehindTheGuitar]

Hey there Wchoy I've got some other mind blowing news for you. When you're tuning down to "Eb" you actually tuning up to "D#" ! The cool key of "F#" actually is the same as "Gb".

On a more serious note, before I bought my first Warmoth neck, I cut and pasted huge chunks out of the Warmoth website into Word documents and then went to other guitar manufacturer websites, copied their data and compared the two. This was a very laborious process, especially as most US manufacturers don't give their specs in metric and use either inch fractions or inch decimals.

But through this process I was able to discover many arcane secrets of guitar making such as the one you have discovered.

My personal, fall off the stool moment, was when I found out Fender in the fifties equipped all their Stratocasters with “wide” spacing (2-1/4" (actually 2 7/32) (57mm) ) string spread and since then have been shrinking them down to the so called modern “Narrow’ (2-1/16" (54mm)). In other words, stealing 3mm of prime finger picking real estate !

I hope this response has been useful to you and that it is taken in the spirit intended.

P.S. Should you every decided to investigate the musical theory terms “relative major” and “relative minor” be sure to sit yourself down in a sturdy chair, with arm rails, and drink a big cup of milk before you do.

 

[JeffSRatiug9]

So I have like 3 Warmoth necks, all with the biggest fret wire you can order. I've always thought to myself what a bummer it was that Warmoth didn't offer the biggest, fattest Dunlop 6000 fret wire as an option, as I have installed on one of my guitars. I emailed them, asking if the BIG Dunlop 6000 fret wire was one of the elusive/mythical "Off Menu Options" as made famous (or infamous perhaps?) by Aaron's popular YouTube video. The email reply I got back earlier today was nothing short of mind blowing. It seems that Warmoth technically DOES offer the biggest Dunlop 6000 fret wire as an option: Their 6100 fret wire is actually (wait for it) Dunlop 6000 fret wire. Mic drop, the Fat Lady has sung her final song, the Cows have come home. I nearly fell off my chair when I read the email - Warmoth also provided a link that showed the sizes of the 2 fret wires. Indeed, the Warmoth 6100 option is indeed Dunlop 6000 - same same. So my question is: why doesn't Warmoth designate their 6100 wire as 6000 wire? I think this would help people who are kind of familiar with the Dunlop sizes already?

This is the reason why Jescar uses the fret crown dimensions as the part number. "6100" means nothing specific except to Dunlop, but 57110 will tell you the actual size of the crown.

A quick guess, they are using Jescar. Jescar numbers don’t align with Dunlop.

To further the rabbit hole, as I understand, Jescar makes most of Dunlops fretwire. Some of it for private label only. Others, Dunlop apples a different number to for legalize.

Jescar does not make any of Dunlop's fret wire.

 

[stratamania]

This has come up before, here is the lowdown... the terms 6xxx as Warmoth are representative and misnomers really.

Post in thread 'Gibson scale: 6150 v 6100 frets'

Jan 27, 2023

I am a little concerned that you may be playing this guitar too often.

That is very kind of you, but these days I am nowhere near the 10 hours a day I used to do a few decades ago.

Stratamania knows.

Apparently so

Yes, Dunlop 6000s are bigger than 6100s. Observably so and also in measurements apart from the tang width. But read on as there is more.

Here is the chart from the "horse's" website.

https://www.jimdunlop.com/content/manuals/DUNLOP_FRET_WIRE_CHART.pdf

Other things to note the 6xxx sizes such as 6000, 6100 & 6105 etc are all Dunlop sizes.

Warmoth...

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Post in thread 'Gibson scale: 6150 v 6100 frets'

Jan 28, 2023

so they're either Dunlop 6000 or Jescar 6100.

Not really Jescar does not make 6100 fret wire it is 58118, or 58118-S or 58118-EVO.

Calling it 6100 is a misnomer of Warmoth - it is not correct. There is no such thing as Jescar 6100 as is not their designation.

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