Your Opinion

[Steve_Karl]

I've never played a Warmoth LP but I've owned some nice Gibson LPs in the past.
a ' 57 TV Junior
a ' 59 TV Special 2 cutaway
a ' 63 Black Custom
a ' 67 Black Custom
a ' 73 Deluxe Gold top
and then a pretty crappy early ' 80s standard ... felt like trash and had less sustain than any of the others.
( I purchased all of the above used ... never paying more than $450 for any of them ... most of them $300 to $400 so that tells you when I got them

anyway ...
I just bought ( about 2 weeks ago ) a 2003 Gibson Les Paul Studio called a Vintage Mahogany.
http://www.sightsea.com/renders/2003_LP/ ( the pics are a bit bright ... it's slightly more brown and les red in person )
$550.00 USD used (found it on Craigslist) and that was with a good hard shell case. I'm very surprised by this LP Studio. It reminds me a lot of the ' 59 special in the way it sounds, even though the ' 59 had p90s. Strange. It's just a memory of tone, particularly the middle position with both pickups on.
The sustain is as good as the " 76 Deluxe I had.
The neck is a little rough feeling ... it needs the edges of the fretboard rolled but for $550 I've finally got an LP again and it's a nice one.
It could use new saddles and a new nut. Neither end of the strings is perfectly curved to the neck but it's ok for now.

Building a WLP is on my to-do list for sure

 

[muttznmongrelz]

To clarify...I'm neither baggin' or raggin' on Warmoth Les Pauls, as I know that there are brothas that have an affinity for them, as there are a ton of really lovely ones that I've seen posted here on the Forum. But...that said...all I am stating is that in my opinion...there is a "difference". I wouldn't expect anything but disagreement in this thread, as it is simply a request for "opinions". We all know everybody's got one! So... :rock-on: Warmoth LP Owners!

 

[hannaugh]

Well hey after all, we wouldn't have our W LPs if Gibson hadn't been making some awesome guitars for a long time, so we really owe a lot of it to them anyways. 

 

[Orpheo]

Sorry but YouR opinion cant be considered valid imho cause you havent even owned or played à warmkth lp! THE difference between à warmoth strat and lp is huge. Try first, then comment!

Warmoth Les Paul?  Just a funny shaped Tele Deluxe.

See above...

Have you owned or even played a Warmoth LP? What is the difference, specifically?

No...I have not owned a Warmoth LP...but I do own a Warmoth Strat and a few other Bolt Neck Guitars. I've also owned several other Set Neck & Neck Thru Guitars (1987 Gibson V, 1990s Ibanez Artist, 1979 Ibanez Musician, 1986 Kramer Stagemaster Custom, Schecter C1 XXX & Tempest, etc), and yes, there is a difference in tone, sustain, feel, etc.  That's my "opinion"...to each their own.

 

[muttznmongrelz]

Sorry but YouR opinion cant be considered valid imho cause you havent even owned or played à warmkth lp! THE difference between à warmoth strat and lp is huge. Try first, then comment!

Warmoth Les Paul?  Just a funny shaped Tele Deluxe.

See above...

Have you owned or even played a Warmoth LP? What is the difference, specifically?

No...I have not owned a Warmoth LP...but I do own a Warmoth Strat and a few other Bolt Neck Guitars. I've also owned several other Set Neck & Neck Thru Guitars (1987 Gibson V, 1990s Ibanez Artist, 1979 Ibanez Musician, 1986 Kramer Stagemaster Custom, Schecter C1 XXX & Tempest, etc), and yes, there is a difference in tone, sustain, feel, etc.  That's my "opinion"...to each their own.

"http://www.youtube.com/v/1fuDDqU6n4o&hl=en&fs=1&"

Let's be honest here...a "bolt on neck" is a "bolt on neck"...PERIOD.  Nothing wrong with that fact...but...it is what it is.

 

[Orpheo]

Wow, narrowminded short sightedness has leaked into THE cracks of this forum too. What à shame. I wont explain it again why warmoths bolt on is better than gibsons glued in joint.



Ps: Mark 0, à bit more credit please? not 1 hour, not even 2! More like 2 days is THE time it takes me to assemble a warmoth lp. But then again, I know exactly how I want it setup, and That makes it easier to set à guitar up. Tristan needs specialised, bass-heavy gear to get à nice tone, cuase his tone really sounded like crap on my guitar but dont tell him, ok? Lets maintain the pretence that he and ricktekent and lukewannabe are THE best players, ok?

 

[muttznmongrelz]

But it's just...an "opinion"...much as your "disqualification" of "my opinion" was...that...would be "narrow minded".

An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts.

There can be the public opinion, or other types of opinion.

In economics, philosophy, and other social sciences, analysis based on opinion is referred to as normative analysis (what ought to be), as opposed to positive analysis, which is based on scientific observation (what materially is or is experimentally demonstrable).

Historically, the distinction of demonstrated knowledge and opinion was articulated by Ancient Greek philosophers. Plato's analogy of the divided line is a well-known illustration of the distinction between knowledge and opinion. Opinions can be persuasive, but only the facts they are based on can be said to be true or false.

'Scientific opinions' are opinions formed via the scientific method, and so are necessarily evidence backed. A scientific opinion, representing the formally-agreed consensus of a scientific body or establishment, often takes the form of a published position paper citing the research producing the Scientific evidence upon which the opinion is based. 'The Scientific Opinion' can be compared to 'the public opinion' and means the complex collection of the opinions of many different scientific organizations and entities, and also the opinions of scientists undertaking scientific research in the relevant field.

A Legal opinion is an opinion of a judge or group of judges that accompanies an order or ruling in a case, laying out the rationale and legal principles for the ruling.

Public opinion is the aggregate of individual attitudes or beliefs held by the population. Public opinion can also be defined as the complex collection of opinions of many different people and the sum of all their views.


This is one of those "agree to disagree" situations. Nuff said.

 

[Soylent]

Kids play nice.

What's with the grump? It's been raining in dallas for just about 3 days now.. which is a lot for us.. and I'm not even THAT grumpy.

Opinions all, opinions.

I think how I want, and you think how you want.

Hug it out.  ccasion14:

 

[Mor Paul]

I think how I want, and you think how you want.

That's what YOU think.

 

[m4rk0]

Wow, narrowminded short sightedness has leaked into THE cracks of this forum too. What à shame. I wont explain it again why warmoths bolt on is better than gibsons glued in joint.



Ps: Mark 0, à bit more credit please? not 1 hour, not even 2! More like 2 days is THE time it takes me to assemble a warmoth lp. But then again, I know exactly how I want it setup, and That makes it easier to set à guitar up. Tristan needs specialised, bass-heavy gear to get à nice tone, cuase his tone really sounded like crap on my guitar but dont tell him, ok? Lets maintain the pretence that he and ricktekent and lukewannabe are THE best players, ok?

hehe it was just a theory

 

[Orpheo]

Wow, narrowminded short sightedness has leaked into THE cracks of this forum too. What à shame. I wont explain it again why warmoths bolt on is better than gibsons glued in joint.



Ps: Mark 0, à bit more credit please? not 1 hour, not even 2! More like 2 days is THE time it takes me to assemble a warmoth lp. But then again, I know exactly how I want it setup, and That makes it easier to set à guitar up. Tristan needs specialised, bass-heavy gear to get à nice tone, cuase his tone really sounded like crap on my guitar but dont tell him, ok? Lets maintain the pretence that he and ricktekent and lukewannabe are THE best players, ok?

hehe it was just a theory

I know but the 'ontiegelijke mongolische flauwekul' which is being posted by him, annoys me, especially since he's absolutely not a tonemaster, or at least, not to such a degree he thinks he is.

@ muttznmongrelz
Semantics about the word 'opinion' might work, but you can only form a true opinion when you've got all the facts. Its like my grand mother who keeps on shouting: I do not like coke. I say, okay, but have you EVER tried it? no, I have not, but I don't like it! How can you say you don't like it, if you've NEVER even tried it?

 

[GoDrex]

Here's my stock opinion on this topic (taken from another thread where I said: "I love mine, but I don't think you should get one."  and someone replied that I shouldn't prevent people from getting Warmoth LPs

He's perfectly free to get one. Me saying that won't stop him from getting one if he wants one. I just think that all of the guys that come in here (probably 1 or 2 a month) worried about bolt on necks should not buy bolt on neck LP type guitars.  I really believe that if it's a worry for them, they should get a guitar with a set neck or a neck through and then be happy and never worry that they made the wrong choice.

There is a huge mental issue regarding LP style guitars with bolt on necks and I totally understand it. I think it's fine to think that way, because I have certain irrational feelings about certain kinds of gear. I get it. I think that if a bolt on neck on and LP body is an issue for you, do not buy one.

For some people an LP has a glued on set neck - end of discussion. If you're having doubts, don't get a bolt on one, because you don't want to get it and then always be wondering in the back (or front) of your mind if you made a mistake. Not only that, you don't get to try it out before you buy it.

Be sure to read what everyone else says. This is all just my opinion. A vast amount of the best guitar music ever performed or recorded was done on guitars with bold on necks. But that may not be enough to get past the mental confusion caused by a bolt on neck on a LP body.

 

[simple]

I guess Joe Perry apparently digs the tone from his Warmoth carved top bolt on. I would think that he has quite the slew of high end guitars to pick from including LPs. I think he built that one to look a certain way but I don't think he would play it at all if it were deficient in some way from what he is used to.

 

[Orpheo]

I guess Joe Perry apparently digs the tone from his Warmoth carved top bolt on. I would think that he has quite the slew of high end guitars to pick from including LPs. I think he built that one to look a certain way but I don't think he would play it at all if it were deficient in some way from what he is used to.

no man, thats absolutely not true! Warmoth has paid him alot of money to play those guitars. didn't you hear? warmoth guitars are really uhm...well, even stagg is better!











:doh:

 

[muttznmongrelz]

I know the topic was dismissed in an earlier post...but...humor me...expand my mind...show me the money...school me...why...why...oh why..is Warmoth's Bolt On Neck better than Gibson's Set Neck? "Tone Masters"...where you at? No need to rehash "old news"...feel free to post a link to prior discussions, something objective, shoot outs from testing...any proof that makes a theory, or in this case, an opinion...conclusive.

 

[mayfly]

Here's my stock opinion on this topic (taken from another thread where I said: "I love mine, but I don't think you should get one."  and someone replied that I shouldn't prevent people from getting Warmoth LPs

He's perfectly free to get one. Me saying that won't stop him from getting one if he wants one. I just think that all of the guys that come in here (probably 1 or 2 a month) worried about bolt on necks should not buy bolt on neck LP type guitars.  I really believe that if it's a worry for them, they should get a guitar with a set neck or a neck through and then be happy and never worry that they made the wrong choice.

There is a huge mental issue regarding LP style guitars with bolt on necks and I totally understand it. I think it's fine to think that way, because I have certain irrational feelings about certain kinds of gear. I get it. I think that if a bolt on neck on and LP body is an issue for you, do not buy one.

For some people an LP has a glued on set neck - end of discussion. If you're having doubts, don't get a bolt on one, because you don't want to get it and then always be wondering in the back (or front) of your mind if you made a mistake. Not only that, you don't get to try it out before you buy it.

Be sure to read what everyone else says. This is all just my opinion. A vast amount of the best guitar music ever performed or recorded was done on guitars with bold on necks. But that may not be enough to get past the mental confusion caused by a bolt on neck on a LP body.

I'm with GoDrex on this one.  If you have a mental block about bolt on guitars, don't get one.  Or at least don't get one because some weirdos on the net say so - get one because you've educated yourself about the relative merits of both styles and can make an informed choice for yourself.

Of course if you do that, you'll find that bolt on guitars are superior in almost every way - every way except snob appeal   :icon_jokercolor: :icon_thumright:

 

[m4rk0]

I know but the 'ontiegelijke mongolische flauwekul' which is being posted by him, annoys me, especially since he's absolutely not a tonemaster, or at least, not to such a degree he thinks he is.

I don't know him.. but his post annoyed me a lot, but I tried to remain decent.. I will try to do that here too, since someone has already quoted some of my previous post on this forum on gitaarnet..

 

[hannaugh]

Well, tone wise I don't think there is really that much of a difference, if any.  I'm not really saying that it's a fact that one is better than the other or anything, but for me personally, I like bolt-ons better for the following reasons:

1-  If my neck or headstock breaks, I can get a new one and I don't have to trash an entire guitar or spend a lot of time, money, and heartache trying to fix a screwed up neck.
2-  It is way easier to tweak a bolt on neck to get it exactly the way you want it because you can shim the neck if you need to (especially if you're fixing up an older guitar).
3-  The high fret access is usually better depending on the design of the guitar.  When I play older Gibsons and I try to go up to the high frets, I suddenly stop and say "Oh yeah, I can't do that like I can on my Warmoth".  Of course, I guess you could get a Les Paul Axecess or whatever it's called, but most people want the more traditional LPs. 
4-  I like the fact that you can get a different type of wood for your neck than what you've got for the body.  Correct me if I'm totally wrong here, but it doesn't seem like there are many Gibsons with a set neck that use two different types of wood for the neck and body. 
5-  I don't like it when necks have a glossy finish because I hate that feel, but I do like glossy finish bodies because they look pretty.  Most of the time in a set neck, the finish is continued on the neck back, so if the guitar is glossy, so is your neck.  I would rather have a glossy body and a satin or raw neck. 

So really, since the sound isn't an issue for me, it's just some practical stuff.  If anyone can offer a rebuttle with their reasons for preferring the set neck, I'd love to read it because I have yet to find anything about a set neck that appealed to me enough to make me want one... and let's face it, that would be a great excuse to buy another guitar!

 

[tfarny]

And, once again: If you are trying ensure that two things stay really solidly together, what do you use - glue, or huge freaking hardened wood screws and a steel plate? Is your house glued together?
I firmly believe the 'set necks have more sustain' thing comes from Les Pauls having a heavy body, thick neck, and humbuckers cranked through a big stack with a compressor pedal, and tuneomatic bridge, and then that's compred to a lightweight, thin necked, floating trem strat played clean at lower volumes, with a bolt on neck and people go "see, set necks have more sustain".
Go get a heavy bodied telecaster with thick neck and brass saddles, put two humbuckers in it, and tell me it doesn't sustain.

Even Godrex, who doesn't think you should get a bolt-on warmoth LP, has one himself and loves it. These are just our opinions, but all of us HAVE warmoth LPs and nearly all of us have a lot of experience with "real ones" too, and we are a pretty happy bunch. Myself, I had a gorgeous black beauty back in the 80s. My Warmoth just kills it.

 

[tfarny]

Did you know that all Taylors are bolt ons?